Forum Game Does one person's vaccine decision affect others?

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  1. riverman

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    So the cat's out of the bag and he's back in the doghouse?
     
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    Maybe look at the age group that 90% of COVID deaths belong to? I’m just spitballing here. How about whoever wants one can get one?
     
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    Perfect. And everybody else is allowed to distance themselves from those people. Businesses included. People who are at risk should be allowed to go to the store without worrying about being infected by a willing carrier, and we should be able to support businesses who don't allow willing carriers without masks as well.
     
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    Can’t the people who are at risk get a vaccine that supposedly protects them? I heard there was one on the market now. Shouldn’t that negate the need to banish us second-class, filthy carrier monkeys from your utopian modern society?

    Is that the ‘science’ now?

    “Everyone needs to get this extremely effective vaccine, like I did, because it WORKS. But also stay away from me if you didn’t get it or else I’ll die”

    #Logic
     
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    Now you're just sensationalizing....you do you...just understand death isn't the only consequence from getting this shit in your internal organs...and those long term effects are a year and a half fresh....you talk about experimenting with risk....good luck with all that. Again..talk to a first responder who's dealt with all aspects of this and make an informed decision unless you have some carrier monkey hygiene issues that you feel a need to make public..you can't kill me with it now but you might fuck up my year old grandson's lungs by being in his air space .or kill the nurse in the VA that can't take the shot due to health issues..we don't know how that'll work out quite yet. Here's some country logic for you....better safe than sorry...if you don't trust the science try trusting the common sense.
     
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    I don’t think they should be subject to any different rules or regulations (or privileges for that matter) than anyone else.
     
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    No. Many people have compromised immune systems and can not get vaccines. That's just another reason it's so important for everybody else to do it.

    And the more people who become infected the more likely the virus is to become more deadly and/or vaccine resistant, putting everybody at greater risk.
     
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    Where are you getting this information? Vaccines are precisely what cause vaccine resistant strains, not people naturally creating antibodies by fighting the disease with their own immune system, without vaccines. A virus needs to know a vaccine before it can become resistant to it, that’s literally how it works. And where are all these people you mentioned who have been turned away from the vaccine because they are too immunocompromised? As far as I’ve seen it’s being pushed on anyone and everyone as being ‘safe and effective’.
     
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    I personally know several people who can't be vaccinated. They aren't turned away, they are advised not to get vaccines because they are on immunosuppressive medication or have other issues that have compromised their immune system. This recommendation is typically made by their primary care physician.

    If everyone capable were vaccinated the virus would not have as much opportunity to become resistant since its spread among humans would be significantly reduced. Hence interaction with the vaccine would also be limited.
     
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    Awesome! I'll take your word for it.
     
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    not true....I got mine at the VA...there are many who cannot get the vax...one was the nurse who gave me my shot...she has a condition that won't allow it....nobody is being pushed into anything or forced into anything...you can do what you want...I just think it's a very bad decision whether you like needles or not....hope you never need to see the dentist.....I have a relative with severe Lupus who cannot get the vaccine. As to your dick working.....it's early in the game. Give it time! You're young now....there's still time for you to start shooting pool with a rope! Google long term effects of covid sometime...you might have the other side effects like brain alzheimers, liver failure, heart arythmia, etc.....in other words your dick might work but your brain won't remember it working!
     
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    So your proposal is to do exactly what is currently being done.

    Pretty radical.

    barfo
     
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    I think you are confusing bacterial resistance to antibiotics with the process of mutations that can occur in viruses with each infection. Most virus mutations don’t benefit a virus’s chances of circumventing the protection provided by a vaccine, but every once in awhile it does. It has nothing to do with the vaccine, it’s just the process of evolution of a virus. That’s one reason it’s important to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible so that we minimize the chances for such mutations to occur.
     
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    Oh no. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

    A virus does not 'know' a vaccine. Vaccines do not create mutants. Viruses do not mutate in response to a vaccine.

    That should be obvious if you think about it, because there were mutants before we had any vaccines.

    Mutants occur naturally as the virus replicates. Some are non-viable and die off. Some are better adapted and thrive. Some may be killed by a vaccine, some may not be.

    But those that aren't killed by the vaccine aren't caused by the vaccine, any more than a human baby is caused by failure to have an abortion.

    And that is exactly how it works. The more infection, the more reproduction, the more mutants, the more danger... to everyone.

    barfo
     
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    you are a disappointment to felines aNd feline lovers across the globes. Egyptian Mummies are rolling in thisr graves.
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    Are you reading this??
     
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    Exactly. Just do that, minus me. You’re starting to understand.
     

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