Does Stotts make it through the rest of the season?

Wow, that's abnormal!

 

If only I knew how to code!

 

Man, same here! The supply and demand in tech does compare to the NBA. I'm impressed by your company that they allow someone w/out coding skills to manage people who code. Some people can't see how that could be anything but a disaster, but I bet there are some real advantages to it.

 

Coding is only a portion of the assignments. There are several different roles that we assign out. Coders, analysts, QA, etc.

 

I see that you chose to one-up my childish insult with an even more childish insult. Why not go for the gold and try a "your mom" joke?

 

Where’s the fun in insulting some guy’s mother????

 

Your logic is just so flawed that there’s no debating you on this point. It’s akin to banging your head against a brick wall trying to explain this very simple concept. Basketball, and sports in general, are part of the entertainment industry. And I will remind you that the entertainers (the basketball PLAYERS) are the draw, not the fucking coaches. Hence the entertainers receive the lion’s share of the income as they are the one’s providing the entertainment. That does not diminish, one bit, the value of a good coach - as the coach can enhance the entertainment value of the product (in this case giving the players a better chance to win a championship). But keep believing what you want. I’m done debating you on this point. Not sure a single NBA executive would support your assertion that “coaching doesn’t matter.” SMH.

 

You keep repeating that I've said "coaching doesn't matter", you've now even quoted it. Try using the search function on this forum and you'll see that quote is not my stance. The fact that you need to make up quotes and attribute them to me in order try attempt to make a point speaks to the strength of your case.

The players receive the lion share of the income because they are producing the lions share of the results. Winning attracts more fans. If paying a coach $20m/year would result in 8 more wins, an additonal playoff series, etc. teams would profit off such a move and they would do just that. My theory is that organizations in general know how valuable coaches are and they pay them accordingly. Do they pay them $0 beacuse coaching doesn't matter? No. Every NBA team can't have it wrong, can they?

 

LOL. Dude, just stop. You clearly can’t even remember what you write in your own posts. Here’s just a snippet I found in about five minutes of searching. Seems pretty clear that you feel coaching doesn’t matter. Perhaps we should create a poll in the next game thread and see how many in this forum subscribe to your theory about coaching and its lack of correlation to team success? Whaddya say?

And here you almost quote the exact phrase I referenced.

 

This is great, you have made my point for me in numerous examples by showing where I've established my opinion that coaches play some role...not a big role or not no role at all.

My consistent stance is that coaching is of small value, very much in line with how they are paid. Not one of those quotes says "Coaching doesn't make a difference." Doesn't take an English major to know there is a difference between "overrated" or "small role" and "doesn't make a difference".

Thank you for doing that!

 

Lol. Semantics. You know exactly what point you were trying to make over and over again. Shows what kind of person you are to not even be man enough to admit your mistake, even when presented with irrefutable evidence. You literally say in one of the quotes that “coaching just doesn't really matter that much”.

 

Again, I don't want to talk down to anyone, but the last two words in that sentence were there for a reason; they mean something different than if I had left them out.

If I said "I didn't eat that much for dinner" that would be a different statement than "I didn't eat dinner." You understand the difference, right? One is a measurement, the other is an absolute.

 

I’m not getting into a back-and-forth with you over semantics. The premise of your theory is still that coaching plays an insignificant role on team success which, as anyone whose played team sports knows, is just pure malarkey. But, hey, keep pushing that ludicrous theory.

“[...] coaching just doesn't really matter that much.” LOL.

 

I suggest you go educate yourself on this topic. This is one of the only studies that actually references a scientific study, as opposed to just an opinion piece. It was presented at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference.

https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5f1af76ed86d6771ad48324b/5f6d3840173db437f04da5ce_Do-Coaches-Matter.pdf

4.4. Basketball
Tables 4 and 5 show our results for the NBA and for Division 1 college basketball, respectively. In both cases, the estimated effects are substantively quite large. Coaches explain about 30 percent of the variation in points scored and allowed. One initially surprising result is that in college basketball, coaches matter more for points scored and allowed than they do for the point margin. One potential explanation is that coaches differ from each other in their preferences for fast- versus slow-paced games, with the fast-paced coaches both scoring and allowing more points. To explicitly test this hypothesis, we also test whether coaches matter for the total points scored in the game, and here, we detect a huge effect, confirming this hypothesis about different coaching styles.





NBA coaches explain about 32% of the variation in Points Scored.
NBA coaches explain about 28% of the variation in Points Allowed.
NBA coaches explain about 32% of the variation in Point Margin.
NBA coaches explain about 31% of the variation in Victory.

 

Thanks, I'll give this a read tomorrow, I'm always down for more research papers on hoops topics! I'll be interested how they adjust for talent, injuries, and all that good stuff.

Assuming you've already read all 25 pages, curious on how you feel about the controls in the study.

Here's another read on the topic regarding the impact of changing coaches, which I believe is the best (not perfect) way to measure the value of coaches:

https://freakonomics.com/2012/12/21/is-changing-the-coach-really-the-answer/

We find that for particularly poorly performing teams, coach replacements have little effect on team performance as measured against comparable teams that did not replace their coach. However, for teams with middling records—that is, teams where entry conditions for a new coach appear to be more favorable—replacing the head coach appears to result in worse performance over subsequent years than comparable teams who retained their coach.

 

That quote is what I said and stand by, but it is still different than what you're saying I said. We're talking accuracy here, not semantics.

You telling me my premise is "pure malarkey" because "anyone who played steam sports knows." is clearly false. I played team sports further than most people, had coaches I still greatly respect to this day, and have coached for many years. Yet, I still feel the data and economics support the value of a coach being minimal. Especially as a coach who has had success (obviously not at the NBA level), that's a humbling conclusion to come to.

You could be right and all the NBA front office people don't realize the incredibly high value of a head coach; I haven't ruled that out, but I do think it's unlikely. I appreciate and respect your opinion, I don't think you're an idiot for thinking what you think, I simply don't agree.

I'll continue to repeat myself just so it is clear to everyone: I do not feel coaches have no value. I do not feel having no coach on the bench would yield the same results as having a coach on the bench. I do not feel Stotts is an amazing coach.

I feel Stotts is an ok coach. I think our roster make-up is by far a bigger issue than our coaching. I believe the next coach will not get past the WCF until an all-star wing/post is added to the roster.

 

The authors of the paper I shared discredit the authors/premise of the Freakonomics article you shared.

 

You're both nerds.

 

Fantastic... I look forward to reading it!

More importantly, we need to get it in Olshey's hands this summer so he go to the best coach in the NBA and say he'll triple their salary. A 30% difference would mean a ton more success and revenue. Since no other team is on board with this theory, we need to take advantage before they all catch on!