Fixing the team next year ideas

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  1. Ranger71

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    Brooks doesn't think that kind of package would be enough? Wow.
     
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    For Tkachuk no. For one of their C's, I think yes it would be. Tkachuk is a stud, and adds the kind of physical presence we need, but I highly doubt he's available, and we need a C, not a winger.
     
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    The New York Rangers are in the market for another top center. One name that should be on their shopping list is Sean Monahan with the Calgary Flames. He hasn’t been officially put on the market, but there is a chance they will at least listen to offers this summer.

    Here are Sean Monahan’s vital statistics that everyone should know:
    • Age – 26
    • Pos – C
    • H/W – 6’2″, 200 lbs
    • Shoots – Left
    Now let’s dive into the numbers that count. He has two years remaining on a deal that has a $6.375 AAV and is coming off a down season. Some believe that it would lower the cost of acquisition, but I doubt it. However, he had hip surgery and is expected to be ready for next season. That could be a factor to drive the cost down, not one bad season.

    For his career, Monahan has 439 points in 591 games. That is a points per game average of .74 since he broke into the NHL at 19 and played 75 games. Back in 2018-19, Monahan scored 82 points in 78 games. He’s potted 30 goals three times in his 8 years in the league as well. All very solid 2C numbers for sure, maybe even 1A.

    I know what you are thinking. Can he win face-offs? The answer is yes. While he’s not a specialist, he has a career average in the dots of 50.2 and can hold his own. Monahan is also very good defensively, and does not take bad penalties. Like I said, read the reviews and make sure to hit Add to Cart.

    So what would it take to acquire Monahan should he become an available item? That’s a good question and one that isn’t easily answered. What are the Flames in need of? Cap space for one. Heading into next season Calgary has about $14 million to play with and only have 13 players under contract.

    Could the Rangers acquire a player like Monahan using cost controlled assets like center/winger Filip Chytil and defenseman Zac Jones? That may not be enough, but it could be a solid starting point. Remember, Calgary has a highly touted prospect in Connor Zary that could debut next season too. They have their own lost cost options coming in, but does it make sense to play Zary on the 4th line?

    Right now the main objective of this article is to call attention to whom should be on Chris Drury’s trade shopping list for centers. If Monahan becomes officially available, the ask from GM Brad Reliving will be made clearer.
     
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    For Monahan I'd think you'd have to give up a 1st in any package. On a team like the Rangers he'd be good for at least 65 points a year. Probably something like Chytil, 1st, Lundkvist with the Flames maybe sending back a 4th/5th. You won't get him for Chytil, Jones and a throw-in. He's a former #6 overall who's not yet 27. He and Zibanejad would make a really good 1/2. I'd rather have Barkov or Eichel if his health clears but those guys are obv. 3/4m more.
     
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    Chuck, did you write that or is that a copy/paste from somewhere? I ask because I like Monahan a lot, have posted about him before, but whoever wrote that he "is very good defensively" needs to be banned from writing on hockey ever again. He's at best a slight upgrade on Strome in that aspect, and even that might be generous. You take him because his offensive ceiling is higher than Strome at 2C and he leaves you enough cap to also get a good FA bottom 6 C like Cizikas or Goodrow to eat some of those defensive minutes and touch matchups.
     
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    That is a copy and paste. He is also much better at faceoffs than Strome, has a higher offensive ceiling, and is a more imposing player. He's better than Strome for sure I think, but is more of a legit # 2 C to pair with Zib. But as you call out 223, his cap number leaves you with the ability to add a bottom 6 C to play D, kill penalties, and also win faceoffs with Monahan. And he won't cost you as much, even if you add a 1st or 2nd to a package of Jones, Chytil and maybe one other middle piece.

    Look to the Flames...
     
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    LOL. Again, I wouldn't offer Lundkvist for him straight up. I doubt the Rangers have any interest in Monahan. He's not what this team needs. They need a top faceoff guy who can play on the top 2 lines. Monahan isn't that.
     
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    Monahan absolutely is that. He had a down season this year, was still at 49% on FO's, but the past 4 seasons prior to this no camp, long pauses, up and down season his stats are as follows:

    48 points, 22 goals 52.6% on FO's in 70 games
    82 points, 34 goals 51.1% on FO's in 78 games
    64 points, 31 goals 50.4% on FO's in 74 games
    58 points, 27 goals 51.5% on FO's in 82 games

    Over 50% on FO's every year, over 51% 3 of 4 years, at least 22 goals every season, at least 58 points 3 of 4 seasons. He is a legit # 2 C and clearly is good on FO's.

    That doesn't mean he is the target, or the Rangers have to get him, but he is a good player, a # 2 C, who wins FO's and scores goals. Plus he adds size at 6'2" 200 lbs.

    Meanwhile Strome has never scored more than 18 goals, and one time had more than 50 points. His 3 seasons with the Rangers his FO %'s are 43.2%, 47.5%, and 47.2%.

    So you can not have Monahan at the top of your list, but you are not allowed to make up your own facts about his game. He scores goals, and is good on FO's. He is also 2 years younger than Strome, and has an extra year left on his contract with a 6.375 cap hit.

    Not a perfect player, not a stud # 1 C, but a very good player with upside, who would be a good add if we cannot get a stud C.
     
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    For a non-top 3 1st, Chytil and Lundkvist i would be all over that if i were Drury. He's basically a top 5 pick entering his prime and averaging 50% on FO, who likely averages 65 pts. That would be one of the top 5 C combos in the league. And the size thing which is big and lacking on the team. I don't think Calgary is moving him.
     
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    50% FO on the Rangers is like 63% on other teams. :blink: Maybe the Flames would move him, especially if you enticed them enough. I don't see Chytil breaking 60pts much in his career and Lundkvist, as nice a prospect as he is, may not work with Schneider/Robertson on the way. Use him to minimize the package and get what you want, whoever that is. Monahans next controct probably won't be much over 7m anyway. Calgary could get their Adam Fox type back that they lost to Carolina.
     
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    I think the Flames will be open for some business. They have kind of plateaued the past couple of years, and I think they'll look to mix up the chemistry. Plus they have cap concerns, so getting young controlled players like Chytil and Lundkvist or Jones is beneficial for them.

    At days end no one really knows who specifically is available and for what, but the Flames would be a target team if I were Drury. We have good matches I think. Chytil, Jones, good pick, mid-level piece could be a solid package for them.
     
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    Jones/Lundkvist square off in a few days at the WC. I believe it's on the NHL network.
     
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    Monahan wouldn't win 45% of his draws in the east. It's by far the best faceoff division. You need to be winning 53 to 60% of your draws to be 50% in the east. You overrate Monahan so badly it's mind boggling. The only big season he ever had was when Gaudreau went off one year. Other than that, he's nothing special. O'Reilly, Horvat and Larkin are much better options if you are considering giving up a prospect like Lundkvist.
     
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    58 point season, 64 point season (in addition to his 82 point season), over 50% on FO's pretty much every year. But he only had one good year, and won't win 45% of his FO's in the East.

    More of the I say it so it's true mentality. Good times...
     
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    There was a time I wanted Monahan here. After watching him the last 2 seasons. No thanks.
     
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    So you saw 48 points, 22 goals 52.6% on FO's in 70 games last season and said no I don't want that - I know...52.6% on FO's in the West means 38% in the East.
     
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    If the idea is to get tougher to play against and to add more jam to compliment the skill guys, which has been a running theme in everything we have heard this offseason, then Monahan is probably the wrong guy. It might work if we then upgraded 3C with that type of player, but we'd be better served looking for a more complete player to add to the top 6. This team - as it is constructed - needs more out of a 2C than solid point totals and above average FO numbers.

    If CGY is our dance partner, Lindholm is the much better 2 way player, good on faceoffs, doesnt cost you that much on offense at all, and has a much better contract while at the same age.
     
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    My opinion is I target a stud C first. Aim for a real difference maker. If we cannot get that guy I think Monahan falls into a category with a handful of other C's that are solid # 2 type C's. Won't cost you as much in terms of assets or cap space. If you get a guy from this group you add a PK, FO, defensive C to anchor the 3rd or 4th line.

    That's how I see it.

    I would be fine with either one, Lindholm or Monahan. Both solid on FO's, Monahan a bit more offensive upside, Lindholm a more well rounded player. Again, can't go wrong either way IMO if we dropped down to that next level.
     
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    Lindholm is not good enough. If I'm giving up a Fox version 2 in Lundkvist, I want a player who can win 53%+ in the faceoff dot in the east and is clutch. Blues are getting pimped slapped by the Av's. If they make the finals I would change my opinion nobody can beat the Lightning. They might be able to do it. Only team I see that could. O'Reilly could be one of the final pieces to getting us to the finals. Add O'Reilly for the first line, Jenner for the second line. Toughness, faceoff's and leadership. Go get Lucic half retained to ride shotgun for the team.
     
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    I think Barkov is good as gone from Sunrise after next year. Their d-corps is going to stink once Yandle/Stralman are gone.
     

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