Rumor What's going on in Portland?

Agreed. The solution is to put them in homes. That's the most effective, lowest cost way it's been solved without violating their rights.

 

I don't care if they want to be addicted, as long as they have a secure home with heat and water, help available (for addiction, mental illness, etc), and aren't living on our streets and in our parks. They can stay in that apartment addicted for their whole life if they want to refuse the best help we can offer. That's their choice, IMO.

 

If that's their most appealing option then aren't we failing as a society?

It costs us nearly a living wage per person ($30k per year) just to allow them to be homeless. It costs us more than that to jail them. How about we just give them keys to an apartment and start saving money (it would cost less than $15k per year)? We have more than enough vacancies...

 

We will have to agree to disagree for a few reasons:

first the homeless are already spread out. The narrative that its jsut downtown is way off base. they are all along 205, johnsons creek trail, etc etc etc.

Second they wont be given apartments from what i gathered. Just minimal shelters in existing neighborhoods

lastly, i highly doubt anyone who owns a home would like a homeless camp set up next door to them.

i do not believe for a second housing them will rid portland of the problem. It will Just put us further in debt. Because we will still be paying for al the clean up they require, plus funding the roof over thier head.

 

I think its possible to build homeless communities within the State that are available to those that want to reside there and contribute in some way. Communal living where all things common. This State has enough property in different locals where communities could be built and managed. If they have drug or alcohol addiction offer free help. Same with mental issues. Encampments are popping up all over Portland. Why?

 

Truly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Zippo.

My oldest daughter lives in Southeast. The problem is so bad that she and her husband decided to do something about it.

They went on the GoFundMe and raised $2500. Then during the winter they went out three different times with home cooked hot meals for people. They also brought new sleeping bags and warm socks. She said they need was enormous. They couldn't give the stuff away fast enough. It was people displaced by Covid, job losses, drugs too, you name it. Teens? Nope. Addicts? A few.

"There is help already." Get a clue. Example: My daughter put together packets for women - tampons, shampoo, sanitary pads, band aids, etc. That was what was needed most. People wanted socks that are not wet. Must be nice in your warm home, life of relative privilege, money, etc judging others who have had such a hard time they live ON THE FRIGGIN STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COLD, WET WINTER.

So I laugh at you too and but I don't "consider" you heartless. You have proven it.

 

i never said that. The new proposal says that.

 

If you want to debate a specific proposal can we have a link, please?

 

Let me clarify. There is help already for drug addicts.

so your daughter put together a care package and that makes me clueless???

man. Nice.

not sure why you quoted me if this is your response. To belittle.

i dont get people who insult while saying someones opinion is wrong rather than asking questions to clarify.

but yeah. Im the clueless one...

 

not sure there is a link. It was on the radio yesterday. But if i have to do the research for you ill find it this weekend....

but to clarify i did say i heard yesterday. Not read?

maybe you missed this?

 

Heeeer we go again. I stated my thoughts and opinions without pinpointing anyone and now the insults and belittling will commence coming at me and when i return fire, ill be blamed for all the drama around here...
Fucking unreal... lol.

and then the mods will post some ling diatribe sensationalizing and damn near lying about how im chasing one of you around and messaging them regularly and some bullshit like that.

Its all my fault though for expecting a bit more maturity from fellow Blazers fans i suppose...

 

here is a link to the radio discussion i heard yesterday. I have not had time to read it.

 

All available evidence proves you're wrong about the results of getting them in homes. If getting them in homes is not a part of the plan then it will not work as well, if it works at all.

Public spaces get cleaned up and stay cleaned up.

Society saves money by not having to pay $30k per year in Police, maintenance, and emergency services.

Parks and public spaces become cleaner and safer.

It has worked this way everywhere it has been implemented.

The only possible downside is increased demand on lower priced housing, which is a problem we're already dealing with, and we'd need to deal with anyway unless we plan on keeping these people homeless until they die.

So, literally no downside.

 

Why do most people live in cities? It's more convenient than the alternatives.