Trade 2021 Off-Season Trade Ideas

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  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Slightly less worse contract than Kemba, could actually play a role for us. We would have to throw in DJJ if we took back Kemba.
     
  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Dorian Finney Smith needs to be added
     
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    Then we'd have to include another for salary, I think?
    CJ & KP salaries match.
     
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  5. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    CJ, DJJ, future pick for KP and Finney Smith
     
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    Why do we want KP and Nurk starting together. Both of them lack the mobility to cover the perimeter. I think if we trade for KP we have to view him as our 5.
     
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    Porzingis is a far better scorer than nurk, has a more diverse offensive game. But his defense isn't good, he's seemed to have lost mobility after his injuries. And he isn't much of a playmaker at all.
    Neither is DFS. To move CJ and Nurk for those 2 would put a huge strain on Lillard to set the table even more than he already does, and not have much playmaking around him.
     
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    * my first reaction was just based upon the preview picture that had CJ and 4 other players who I think are clearly 'better' than CJ so I was hoping you had at least attached other assets so the trade weren't as homerific as many I see here (not yours). For the most part you did, so good on that. I think you are probably overrating the value other teams would assign to CJ as a 'dynamic playmaker', but that's a subjective debate we've had before....no need to repeat

    * the first two trades kind of illustrate an issue for me: CJ and assets for either Tobias Harris and Middleton. Both are better players than CJ and the ramifications of keeping Powell, & RoCo, and adding either player to the starting lineup definitely makes for an upgraded rotation. Here is the 'but': both of those players actually have bigger contracts than CJ, so adding either, plus a re-signed Powell, locks Portland into the repeater tax in 2022. But is the changed trajectory for Portland enough to warrant millions in tax, at least as viewed thru Seattle eyes?

    I'm not sure Portland's trajectory would be altered into a contender. I'd certainly prefer Middleton to Harris as I think he's a lot more versatile, on both ends of the floor. Dame-Powell-Middleton-RoCo-Nurkic....is that really a contender? Maybe...maybe not

    * the trade of CJ + a 1st for Siakam is a no-brainer to me. I don't think it alters Portland's trajectory that much; and Siakam has the same contract as CJ. But the fit is better for sure. Still, Blazers would have to make another move to move into contention, IMO. But mainly, it discards the 6 year Dame/CJ experiment, and that's a big step in the right direction. I'm just not seeing enough motivation for the other teams involved, especially Toronto

    * CJ + RoCo + 3 firsts for Brown + Horford?.....sorry, that one I don't like

    * CJ + Nurkic + RoCo + 2 firsts for PG13 + Turner? Yikes. That's probably realistic on the price Portland would have to pay. I have always liked the idea of Dame + PG13. I think they could build an elite mesh as a 1-2 punch. And Nurkic for Turner is kind of a downgrade in my view because I do not like Turner's anemic rebounding. On the other hand, he has the mobility to guard outside of the paint that Nurk doesn't have. Kind of important in the new NBA. But losing RoCo leaves a big hole at PF, and no, I don't have any faith in Zach. This is another trade that would leave the job half-done, but it's a good, albeit expensive, step in the right direction

    generally, a pretty decent effort Bones...nice job. Our biggest difference is that I do not believe the Blazer roster is as talented as you do, so most of these trades will definitely need follow-up deals to complete the upgrade
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    It doesn't lock them into the repeater tax. They have until the trade deadline of the 22-23 season to get out of the luxury tax. If the team is not competitive by then, a complete teardown will probably get the team out of the tax, and that includes trading Dame.
     
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    based upon the trades in discussion, Portland wouldn't be 5M over the tax line, they'd be 20-30M over. Clearing that much salary at a trade deadline is a huge task. I think you're significantly underestimating how much would need to be moved and the price Portland would have to pay to move it

    Dame 47M
    Middleton 38M
    Powell 20M
    RoCo 15M
    Nurkic 15M

    that's 135M right there when the tax line could be under 145M. Like I said, 20-30M over, and that might be low-balling it
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Not really. RoCo and Nurk are not signed for that season. I think they will know after the end of this season whether or not they plan on competing in 22-23. If not, Dame is going to be moved.

    47M + 38M + 20M will be the long term salary for the 22-23 season. That's before moving Dame. If Dame is on the way out, I'm sure there will be plenty of trade options during the off-season to reshape the entire roster and salary situation.

    If they do plan on competing, it will probably be because we had a great 21-22. If Jody isn't willing to go into the repeater tax even if we are contenders, then we should be trading Dame at that point anyways.
     
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    Philly just shit the bed tonite. They could very well be eliminated when they go down to Atlanta. They might be looking to shake things up. And Doc will probably be fired too. I still like Seth Curry, then you have guys like Thybulle and Harris' bad contract(?), and naturally, Simmons.
     
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    Trade for the rights to Vasilije Micic!
     
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    Definitely might be a shake up coming. Simmons for CJ has been bantered about quite a bit....but Simmons comes with his own warts. Can't shoot from the outside and can't shoot FT's. A huge weakness in a close game down the stretch.
     
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    Ben plays PG for the first 3 quarters, Dame plays in the 4th. Problem solved-ish!
     
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    Problem is, they would double off of Simmons onto Dame, or just foul him and send him to the line.
     
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    Building around a center is just a bad idea. They’re injury prone and they’re from an archaic era. When was the last time a team won a title with a center as the focal point? Spurs with Duncan? Was he even a center?
     
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