OT Vegas Style Shooting Thwarted In Denver

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You don't NEED a gun if you're worried about protecting yourself from the goobers out there.

    The world isn't any less safe than it was before. In fact, studies show that this is the safest time to ever be alive. Social media and the news make things out to be way way way worse than they actually are.

    With that said, government reach and personal freedoms seem to be at an alltime low, so it couldn't hurt to own a gun in case our social fabric completely falls apart. If COVID taught us anything, it's that we're extremely vulnerable to disease and that a lot of people are only out for themselves.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    America doesn't have a gun problem it has a violence and crime problem caused by lack of opportunity, which is caused by lack of access to education, healthcare, abuse of the poor by the justice system, and in general a poor social safety net.

    Fix those and you'll save more lives than any gun centric solution could hope to.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Yes. It's already past the point of no return. But that's ok, because if we quit focusing on the "gun problem" and focus on stopping the violance at the source, the "gun problem" will go away as well.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I love guns, I just think I should be the only one who has them.
     
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    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    Our U.S. government is literally the cause of your "list of America's problems". Fix our government and just maybe America's problems go away?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Common sense gun control I would support.

    All violent criminals having a weapons restriction on their drivers license (or equivalent ID).

    Make selling or providing a gun to any restricted person (or anybody without valid state ID) a felony punishable by jail time as well as weapons restriction on ID.

    This could actually get support from Republicans because there is no need for a database of gun owners, just a database of violent criminals.

    All states already have this capability (I believe) so no new infrastructure would be needed. We already have a database of violent criminals.

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    Voodoo An American hero

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    Thats a gross oversimplification of the problem, getting a change like this requires a cloture vote in the senate. In today’s world that would require 10 Republicans in the senate along with all 50 Democrats. You’re not going to get all 50 Democrats to vote on that, but you would likely get 48 of them. You would then get 0 Republicans to vote for it, so no that is a false equivalency to state both parties “don’t care”.

    As with most problems in this country, there is one party interested in trying to do something about it whereas the other party isn’t. This goes for virtually every important issue from climate change, common sense gun control, taxes, the wealth inequality gap, etc.
     
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    Wrong. Neither party cares about America... at all. Both parties deny Americans living wages, free health care that most other industrialized nations give their citizens. America's schools constantly lack funds. Why? Both parties feed our military. It seems better to spend money dropping bombs than it is to spend that money where America really needs it.

    Oh and, we drop them bombs only to feed the contracts the rich must get, so that they can keep the killing across this planet going. All in the name of capitalism, of course.

    America's congress literally has the one of the lowest approval ratings on the planet. How anyone can vote for these uncaring inhumane people is beyond me.
     
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    There is only one solution...

     
  12. Road Ratt

    Road Ratt King of my own little world

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    Ewww. :trampoline:
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I don't buy it. Sure, improving those things would reduce gun violence, but we are already doing better than many other countries on those metrics and yet our gun violence is much worse.

    However, I do agree that guns might not be the problem. It might be Americans that are the problem.

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    America doesn’t have a violence problem. It has a people problem. People bring the violence.
     
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    america definitely has a violence problem....if it's not an AR15 it's a karen hitting a six year old asian kid in a mall or an insurrection on capitol hill .or road rage or cops shooting unarmed people...america has a violent people problem..
     
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    We're not doing better than other wealthy countries in most of those metrics.

    Desperate people make poor decisions.

    There are 400 million guns in this country. You can literally print a very capable gun on a $300 desktop 3d printer.

    There is no gun control that will make any significant difference in the USA.

    I'm simply advocating for changes which could actually make things better.
     
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    That may or may not be so. But, if I go and over explain every case I make, then I start to feel like I am over complicating that conversation. Which is a problem that I find that most people suffer from, over complicating their statements. It seems like a silly game to me.

    We all know that big tech watches you through your electronic devices. It's fine with you that your party doesn't care that they do so. Not by me. I could literally make a list of crap that we all know to be true, that both parties are fine with. And yet I'm not suppose to see that neither party cares. I can't do that.

    During the pandemic, our congress gave away the largest transfer of wealth to the rich in history with their 500 billion dollar package. Later we find out that through loopholes the wealthy will actually receive 4.7-6.2 trillion dollars. Nancy Pelosi fought harder against Trump's wall than she did that bill. And I'm not suppose to see that she doesn't care. I can't do that.

    Iraq was about oil. Most, if not every war, we have fought beyond WWII: Americans were lied into supporting. And we still buy their stories. I can't buy their lies anymore. I am done doing so. Everyone else can do so. They have that right. Knock yourselves out... Please! :tongue:

    Sorry. Now I feel like I am hijacking the thread, so I will stop here unless something real comes my way.

    In the end it doesn't matter. In a conversation where nobody believes links, we are all left being full of shit as we try to "out logic" each other. I find those kind of conversations tedious and boring.
     
  18. HailBlazers

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    Typical ruler.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    That means checking out a buyer for every transaction so no idiot gets his hands easily on a gun. It also means limiting guns to their hunting value and not selling military type weapons and tracking guns from buyer to buyer so we have a better idea of who might be doing bad guy stuff with his gun. I would also make it difficult to own a handgun. I'd rather see a guy coming after me with a long barrel which is difficult to hide than a sneaky handgun that allows a person possessing it to sneak up on me. Every drive by I've heard of used handguns. Pretty simple, really.
     
  20. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Here's the problem. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US (some sources say close to 400 million). How do you put the genie back in the bottle? Forced buy backs? Every time even the hint of a threat to ban assault rifles, people rush out and buy up more. It's not common sense as you make it out to be. It's going to be extremely complicated.
     
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