Notice Chauncey Billups new Portland Trail Blazers head coach

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Mr. Robot, Jun 25, 2021.

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are you happy that chauncey billups got the job

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  2. no

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  3. yes, but he was not my first choice

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  4. meh, im indifferent

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  1. sheed30

    sheed30 Well-Known Member

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    Come on man, be better than that. This is dead in the water.

    Just ignore anyone that brings this up anymore going forward, they will quickly realize
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Maybe I'm just dense, but that really didn't say anything new, did it? Just a timeline of the court documents/procedures, and not so much anything about guilt, etc?
     
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    The only new thing I got was that she never identified Chauncey as being in the room that she can remember the crime happening in. I thought for sure he would have been part of her recollection of the crime. I'm not saying that means he couldn't have been there or that it means definitively that the crime in question didn't happen. I just thought it was a pretty big detail that she said Mercer was there and did things, she said Walker was there and did nothing and she said she woke up next to Irvin. No Chauncey and I don't know how many other guys were in the house but at least one other was, who drove her home and told her to keep quiet... all according to her and contrary to the accounts of the other parties.

    So yeah, still a he said she said, clouded at least by alcohol; which describes so many of these situations, so many of which are horrendous crimes but that's still where it's at. Also, this article definitely didn't make her seem like a stronger witness. If anything it was damaging to her and overall just an indictment on the authorities' records and newspapers' lack of reporting. The writer of the article was obviously frustrated with their source information and if looked at correctly IMO, put Chauncey in a better light.

    I also bet the ex FBI personnel that did the Blazers investigation had more experience investigating and had more cooperation from the authorities.
     
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    There is nothing new here.
     
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    I saw that B-Edge did that last night and I will not lie -- I was pissed off at the site cause it seems like Dave D has decided to make a run at Clownzano for being a complete joke in the news biz. I personally believe IF the Blazers give that site media passes or whatever they are called they should be revoked or very least if Dave is there he should be banned from being there to cover them. Maybe I am just as guilty in overreacting as he is but the past week to 10 days or so I have lost respect for Dave D and that site.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, his site gave someone an excuse to create a backstory about them being banned there, so they could return here as a "new" member, so yeah fuck Blazers Edge.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    wtf took you so long? their site has employed nazi mods since he took over.
     
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    post this in the Blazers reddit and they will all lose their shit, itll get downvoted into oblivion and/or deleted.
     
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    Both sides agreed to have the records sealed - which was new to me. Perhaps, I should have known that already.

    Could the plaintiff even prove that Billups was at Walker's house?

    What a terrible situation. If they did what they are accused, the players were awful humans. If they didn't, the accuser is an awful human. Both is also possible, but I doubt that neither is possible.

    Slight objection to the article's language: "Billups wanted... Mercer wanted..." is not true, it's their lawyers who wanted.
     
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    A woman doesn't get those kind of injuries because she had a jolly good time. So she is awful sounds unlikely, even if it is unclear who did what.
     
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    I don't think anyone denies something happened (rough sex is an option, but not necessarily the best excuse one can offer).

    I think some of the issue is, those who instantly presumed their guilt vs those who wondered about it vs those who supported her version of the story as gospel vs the truth somewhere.
     
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    I have always gone with the idea that Billups had SOME part in this and that is troubling BUT I believe he has used that tragic situation to learn from and become a better man and the past 20 plus years has shown this to be true this is why as a fan I support the hire. I just wish other fans would try and get around to the same way of thinking and stop thinking just because he was (prolly ) involved he should be canceled for LIFE and never have a chance at better career options etc.

    However this is the last time I would prefer to discuss this and would prefer to talk about how NeO and Billups will keep Dame happy and in Portland and bring the Blazers a ring .
     
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    An important takeaway is that, female or male, be careful with your alcohol consumption.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Also, who you hang out with.
     
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    Tho that doesn't always make a difference. I have a friend who was molested by a (same age) cousin.

    But my comment was as much about men, as it is anything. Don't be around people who are horrible people, or put you in a situation like this.
     
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    Not only was she unable to identify Billups as being in the room, she did not disclose about oral sex given to Billups in the car in her statement. Billups later disclosed this in the court documents.
     
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    Nothing new. I had a problem with Kidd because shenanigans seem to follow the guy. Do not recall anything bad with Billups besides this.

    He has my full support.
     
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    Something happened. The men in that room (Mercer, Irvin, whoever else was there) had sexual relations with her. Did they rape her? Did they stupidly have sex with an intoxicated woman who didn't want to but couldn't say so because she was too drunk.

    The fact that she woke up, immediately asked to leave and went to the hospital tells me she felt she was raped. It's possible she cried rape to get money, but it really doesn't seem like she planned this out.

    She had sexual relations with mercer and others in the past. That doesn't mean she wanted it this time.

    She remembers Billups in the car as they drove to the house, but can't identify him as being in the room.

    We will never know the whole story. We will never know exactly what happened.
     
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    Actually, women get damaged in consensual sex regularly. We don't (or at least I don't) know how large specific body parts in question are, but I know that Ron Mercer is 6'7" and if things are all proportional, then he is more capable of causing injuries consistent with sexual assault than the average man.

    I agree that she doesn't have to be an awful person to be telling her story and it be inconsistent with what really happened. She was blacked out for at least part of the night, and (I speak from experience) moments of clarity can happen during blackouts, but there are also points of "greying out" where you can remember some stuff but not perfectly.

    The state would have had to prove that Billups was at Walker's place, that he was in the room, and that he performed nonconsensual sex acts on her. That seems like a very tough thing to prove given her state and the lack of evidence (that I've seen) that Billups was any of those things.
     
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    Agreed. The accuser was assaulted. I don't think there is much of a question about that.

    But by who? Was Billups even at the house, or did he just drop them off?

    Unfortunately there is not enough evidence to convict or hold Billups more accountable than he already has been... He paid a settlement, and unless more evidence comes out that implicates him I think it should be dropped in all fairness.
     
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