Trade Ideas Thread

More referring to how it’s buying Olshey more time.

 

He has already wasted 6 years of Dames prime. It sucks that he’s got people to buy into giving him even more time.

 

It doesn't look or sound like anything. We have one concrete piece of evidence that would suggest what the Blazers will do this off season and that is Dame saying that the roster has to get substantially better for him to decide where he wants to be in his immediate future. That's it. We've just got the Dame presser. We can also look at the Olshey presser after he fired Stotts and Olshey did say that the roster wasn't the problem but then doubled back and said that we obviously want to pair Dame with a star bigger than what we have on the roster but he alluded to that being difficult but with how big of a deal the Dame presser is Neil's comments are outdated.

The fact is if we don't make a big move it will be a huge "fuck you" to Dame. In my opinion we don't have the ability to just get Powell by overpaying him because the Knicks can give him the same money we can and promise him that he can defend guards and get far more touches than he would playing with both Dame and CJ. So I think if CJ is still on the roster, that there's better than a 50/50 chance that Norm walks for nothing.

Those things lead me to believe that despite all of the leaked out posturing from our FO that Neil is going to trade CJ and some other assets for an impact forward before free agency starts. I see no other reason why there are so many reports coming out that are sourced that we might not be able to do so, when usually it's radio silence from us.

There's a good chance I'll be disappointed and CJ will still be here to start next season. There's a good enough chance that I'm wrong and Norm is completely cool playing out of position and getting very few touches. We'll just have to see but we won't have to wait, at least not longer than a couple of weeks.

 

I'm not arguing that HE should still be here, just that I can see the timing making more sense, from a lot of different angles...

 

The argument wasn't about fit though. Scalma said that Sabonis is better than Simmons. That's a different conversation entirely.

 

lmao one guy has literally gotten better every season, while the other has stalled and even regressed in certain areas. You’ve got it backwards. Simmons has never even flashed an ability to shoot a basketball, and there are questions about his work ethic. That “if” you speak of is massive.

 

Sounds like you’re buying the Olshey spin, like many have since he’s been here.

Sorry this all sounds like delaying the inevitable with the number one priority of fabricating a reason he should keep his job.

 

And that doesn't at all address what you just quoted. Thanks for playing though. In fact, if anything, you're just proving my point.

 

I just said he’s never flashed an ability to shoot, so your theory that he’ll “figure it out” is a fantasy, at best. So yeah, I guess he COULD figure it out, just like I guess I COULD get hit by lightning one day.

Meanwhile the other guy (that you claim won’t make any significant improvements) has actually put in the work and seen tangible results every year.

I know who I’m betting on.

 

Isn't sabonis suddenly becoming a good defender at the 5 just as likely as Simmons becoming a good shooter? Seems like they each have a big flaw in their game, and neither is super likely to fix it entirely.

 

Sabonis is a top 20 player. Really good. Would definitely help the team, but that's as far as he's gonna get. He's not going to take a major leap into the top 10 or the top 5.

Simmons is also arguably a top 20 player right now, but if someone can unlock his offensive skillset, he could be a top 10 or a top 5 player in the game.

I would take Simmons simply because I'm not sure we're going to be able to put a contender around Dame, and Simmons could be a cornerstone if things are handled right.

 

There are more than 19 players better than Ben Simmons, come on now.

 

I would take Simmons too, just because he’s a better fit than CJ, but I definitely don’t see him as a top 20 type player. He’s not even top 30 for me, more like the 30-40 range. Good not great, just like CJ.

 

The operative word being "arguably."

 

I'm not "buying" anything. I'm trying to think rationally about how our situation might be half a season from now and caveated it with "if Dame is onboard". He's all that matters right now. All I'm saying is there is little sense in making a panic move for cents on the dollar now (if that's what's available) if we're no longer looking at mere days until Dame demands a trade? Obviously if there's a good enough deal out there you take it, the goal should still be to improve the roster, but just as Real Estate agents take longer than anyone else to sell their homes, having more information and more time to garner offers typically isn't a bad thing.

Unquestionably, in a perfect world, we'd get a great deal for CJ and take it and run, but the 6ers are holding strong on Simmons for the time being, Siakam is coming off an injury, CJ's value certainly isn't at an all-time high...

If our options are taking a crappy deal for CJ and saying "this is the best we could do" or doing what we can now to strengthen the bench, improve/keep assets and let the market develop, gauge improvement with a new staff, etc., I don't think that's that hard of a decision to make. It's fine to dislike Neil, and sure, maybe a biproduct of being patient is him staying on the job longer, but that component alone doesn't make it a bad decision...

 

I bet that’s what’s gonna happen too, and people will lose their minds. Once again, the goal is to be better in the playoffs, not on opening night.

 

think the only one arguing that is you.

he was a third team all nba in 2020, but that was more a function of Steph being out for the season and the league collectively hating on Brad Beal even if he put up 31/6/5.

 

I'd have to go down the list, but you don't think he could slide into that 20th spot? No argument to be made?

 

Probably wise for fans to expect the worst and hope for the best. Better put, think about the situation this way, we're quickly reaching shit or get off the pot time. Whether that's by the draft, by free agency, but camp, or by the deadline, shouldn't we just want the best decision to be made? Very clearly Dame has standards of what that decision needs to look like -- either we'll be able to swing something that satisfies him to keep grinding here, or we don't, and to think that he won't be heavily involved in whether that deal is made is foolish. Dame is effectively the GM at this point. If we're able to swing a big enough trade, at whatever point, great. If we're not, he's gone, and that's pretty blatantly clear at this point. Rushing to make a move just to make a move either won't be approved by him, or will only backfire.

 

what top 20 player needs to be benched late in the fourth quarter of an elimination game?