Trade Ideas Thread

Shaq

 

i can't believe you guys are making me continue to talk crap about a guy i have been so high on, but come back to me when ben simmons has a 30/15 game in the playoffs instead of 6/5.

ben simmons might have potential to become a top 20 player. Maybe even higher Sure.

but Sabonis is already one right now.

 

Come on man....

 

It's a legitimate question. Simmons' liabilities right now have him closer to top 50 maybe. Not top 20.

the appeal in Ben is ALL about potential.

And it's a risk worth taking especially for our team, but I'm taking Sabonis over him every day of the week.

 

So what you're saying is that your list is only compiled of players who are top 20 in all situations and scenarios? I base my list off the season in its entirety. Not a few minutes in the playoffs.

 

I think the problem is you're looking at the Ben Simmons from this playoffs as though it's all-encompassing of who he is. I don't care to weigh in on the Baby Sabas vs. Simmons debate because it's arguing which is better pizza or burritos, they're in separate categories to begin with.

Simmons was awful, offensively, in that series. THAT Simmons, was absolutely not a top-20 player. But THAT Simmons, a) is not the Simmons that's a multi-time all-star, nor is it the Simmons that you'd be trading for (both because your intentions would be that he snaps out of it AND because there's no way in hell Philly prices him as such).

So sure, the Ben Simmons we last saw was absolutely not a top-2o player, and objectively, baby Sabas is better than that. But to pretend that he's always been or always will be THAT Simmons is to overlook a ton of talent, amazing mismatch potential, and one of - if not THE - best defenders in the game.

 

I won't "lose my mind" if CJ isn't traded during the off season or even if we "run it back". I will be very disappointed and I can't believe that Dame will feel much differently. I will get pretty damned pissed if CJ isn't traded and that results in Norm walking and therefore the only major move is that we get worse. I have no idea what Dame will feel like or do if that is the case.

Edit: Oh and if you believe the supposedly sourced reports/rumors and I know that's a foolish thing to do, Dame's goal isn't getting better by the playoffs it's to be better in a serious way by the trade deadline.

 

as someone who has been beating the simmons to portland drum for almost 3 yrs now, this is what i have been thinking. There is no way he would be available if he didn't have that horrific playoff run last month.

but the context of my argument was the debate between him and Sabonis.

 

That's utterly false it's not ALL about potential. He would fix our biggest issues - Perimeter Defense and secondary playmaker/ball handler - Right now today, as is. He's a terrible fit next to Embiid in case that wasn't clear. A team properly built around him with the proper coach and proper motivation is what he needs. He doesn't even need a jump shot to be extremely effective. If he can just become a better FT shooter - which btw is BY FAR the easiest skill to learn - he would instantly be a no-brainer. The only reason we can take a crack at this guy is due to his current flaws. People seem to forget CJ's far more concerning flaws of no defense and horrible mental mistakes like stepping out of bounds on a crucial momentum-changing play. I wouldn't trade Dame for Simmons, but literally, anyone else on the team is on the table because Simmons is already, as I write this, a vastly and I mean vastly better player than anyone on our team not named Dame.

 

It’s not just his playoffs, Simmons’ 2021 season graded out as about the same as CJs when you look at the numbers. VORP had them virtually identical. He’s a good but flawed player that’s been overhyped by the media because of his prospect status and where he’s been playing. He’s been gradually regressing since his rookie season. Feel like the last two years he’s been an all star mainly because of reputation.

 

100%, buy low!

Not going to quibble about that debate because again it's apples and oranges... just feels slightly disingenuous to use one guy at his absolute lowest vs. another coming off his best season... Like even if I preferred oranges to apples, I'd still choose an average apple over a moldy orange.

That said, argue away...

 

Ok well, whoever brought up that comparison is rather silly. Sabonis is quite clearly off the table. Might as well compare Simmons fit/talent to Michael Jordan in his prime and how he'd play next to Dame. "Doesn't matter" and "Who cares?" are the two phrases that come to mind.

 

Maybe he needs to learn to shoot his free throws underhanded ala Rick Barry!

 

Actually, everyone should. It's one of the funniest things in the league. Everything is hyper-efficient and maximized in the league, but nobody wants to look weak by shooting underhand.

 

Especially at the end of games. The relaxed easy motion eliminates some of the fatigue. No excuse for those shooting under 75%

 

Yeah I mean it was years ago, but I want to say there was an immediate 10-20% increase in FT % for bad shooters. Obviously, Dame isn't going to hit 110% even though he gave that level of effort to us every game of the playoffs.

 

There are a number of guard rumors out there but I have seen one involving a trailblazer?
Expect the unexpected?

 

If the media has wind of the rumor, it's already dead. So yes, the fact that you haven't seen many "official" rumors about Blazer guards means expect the unexpected, maybe.

 

Thoughts? We save a bunch of $ on this.

 

I’d do it
Dame loves bogdan too