Norm Powell Contract

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  1. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    Norm leaving would be a big loss. It only seems logical that if he analyzes the situation after Norm walked, that Dame would conclude that the team could not meet what he is requiring and would ask to be traded upon his return to the states but that's just how it seems to me. The fact is that there's still a great chance Norm re-signs and that will inject some more hope into our team's situation.
     
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    ...to be fair, simply trading Dame would net more than enough for the current roster continue the status quo -- and even "improve" overall. I don't think a total rebuild would be necessary, just saying :dunno:
     
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    I'm not at all interested in continuing what this team's status quo has been over the last nine years. I'm not saying I just want draft picks for Dame... I saw a trade proposal from a Pelicans blogger that said Ingram, Hayes (obviously he'll have avoid incarceration) and picks. Then I think CJ, RoCo and the Pelicans picks would get us Simmons. I'd auction off Nurk to the highest bidder for a young player and some picks. Then I'd sign a bunch of GLeaguers and undrafted free agents to see if we can hit on one.

    Starting Ant, Ingram, Simmons, Hayes and whoever can shoot the best from three between Nas and DJJ while playing a bunch of hungry kids off the bench sounds fun. Ingram and Simmons could be an all nba duo for a long time.
     
  4. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

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    not on defense at all...he's a better scorer but not a better defender...Powell is substantially better on that side of the ball from what I've seen....FVV is also a really small guard
     
  6. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Hollinger said Norm is coming back, but Fischer says this: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...owry-demar-derozan-emerge-as-pivotal-dominoes

    Norman Powell's free agency has also generated significant chatter around the NBA. Portland officials and executives across the league took note of Detroit's maneuvering over the weekend, which allowed the Pistons to clear upward of $20.2 million in space. That could present an opportunity for Powell to reunite with his former head coach Dwane Casey—ditto for a scenario where DeRozan signs with Detroit. But the Trail Blazers losing out on Powell would hold critical ramifications for their quest to refortify their roster around Damian Lillard.
     
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  7. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I'm not so sure he's better offensively either. FVV shot 39% from the floor. That significantly worse than Powell.
     
  8. Rastapopoulos

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    Three questions:
    1. Would a sign-and-trade of Norm Powell for DeMar Derozan be even possible? (Or can you only do that with ONE team signing their free agent?)
    2. If it WAS possible, would the Spurs do it?
    3. Would we want to do it? It would give us a kind of "big three", but none of them much known for his defense.
     
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    S&Ting for Derozan would hard cap us.
     
  10. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    IIRC, when GSW and BRK swapped Durant and Russell, both players were signed and traded.

    That said, @RR7 is correct, and I don't think we would want to go that route.
     
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    Same questions for Will Barton.

    Also, please explain "hard cap" like I'm 5.

    Googling tells me this much - feel free to add:
    What Happens When a Team is Hard Capped:

    If a team does one of the above three things, they cannot have a team salary above the “apron” which is always exactly $4 million above the luxury tax line at any point during the remainder that league year (which turns over July 1). Unlike the soft cap, these teams cannot exceed this line for any reason even if they have exceptions or hardship. The league will reject any move that could potentially take them over the line.
     
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    If we add a player in a S&T, we can absolutely not spend any $$ over the hard cap amount. I think it's ~143 million.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    A team that returns a player in a S&T is "hard-capped". There are many other things a team can do that can "hard-cap" them, such as using the full MLE, or using the BAE.

    But getting hard-capped enforces a (as the name suggests) hard salary limit at the tax apron, which is around 143M. The Blazers already have 115M guaranteed money tied to 8 players. Taking in a S&T for a 20M+ player would put us at 135, with roughly 8 million left to fill 5 roster spots. It would be tough, and also makes you go into the season with less flexibility.

    Also, a Powell S&Ts is extremely unlikely because he would be subject to the base year compensation rule. If a player not coming off a rookie scale contract is used in a S&T, and his new salary is at least 20% greater than his current salary, then for salary matching purposes he will count as his old salary (10.6M) for his old team, and his new salary for his new team (~20M-ish). Making salary matching extremely difficult. A S&T with Powell for Derozan is probably easy for salary matching purposes since San Antonio is under the cap, but unless Derozan signs for like 10M/Year, Blazers getting hard-capped is a non-starter, IMO.
     
  14. illmatic99

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    Is Powell for Thad Young possible? Young is at 14 mil for 21-22. Not sure of Chicago's potential interest in Powell, but I would love Young as a PF as a far better fit for us, allowing us to slot Roco at SF then.
     
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    Lets hope no, yuck on Thad
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    uh dude has reinvented himself as a playmaking 4. His ast% rivaled Sabonis'. Check his numbers. Maybe you're thinking the old Thad Young.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Chicago is under the cap, so I think they can absorb the difference. Problem is they seem to want to use that cap to sign Ball or some other FA. They can also theoretically just clear enough space to sign Powell outright.

    But either way, even though I like Thad, Powell is better. Thad is 33 and a non shooter. We would be getting significantly worse in that deal, IMO.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Ya, the worry is that they can sign Norm outright, but they would still need to clear some space to do so. There was talk yesterday of them trying to move Sato/Young to open room for Ball. From my twitter stalking and all the tea leaves/rumors, I think Ball to CHI is a done deal, but you never know for sure.

    Powell is a better player than Young in a vacuum, but is throttled next to CJ. And we don't seem to be in the mindset of wanting to CJ anytime soon. I think from the team-building perspective, having a playmaking 4 who can potentially switch on defense 3-5 is better than our dumbass three guard lineup.
     
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    "old" is the operative word, for me at 33 he is too old unless he came very cheap
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    too old? a 35 yr old PJ Tucker averaged 30 mpg in the playoffs this year. Young would be a role player averaging about 25-30 mpg on this team and I'll maintain that he'd be a great fit.
     

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