OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

Absolutely. Somehow in the 90s what used to be called courtesy was rebranded political correctness and viciousness praised as politically incorrect.

 

And we used to at least have enough self awareness as a society (in general) to try and keep our shortcomings covered under (at least) a thin veneer of civility. Then Trump came along and smashed that veneer with a sledge hammer. And it’s obvious that too many groups and individuals have (and never really have had) any real use for courtesy and respect all along. So now they don’t have to even try to control themselves and their behaviors. Suddenly, it’s “okay”. I’m still struggling to wrap my mind around how that will make America “great again”……..

 

That's not true at all in my opinion. People have been much more disrespectful in the past than they are now. The difference is in how people react to it now.

 

Started before Trump although he magnified it. Really got going with the rise of right wing radio like Limbaugh and with Gingrich becoming speaker. Ones opponent was no longer an American with a different viewpoint but an enemy to be absolutely destroyed, no holds barred, no facts needed.

 

Being respectful and showing courtesy, along with being able to humbly apologize when you make a mistake, are keys to being civil.
Be careful not to harden your heart and swallow your tears and don let the sun go down with hate.
What ever happened to do a good deed daily for someone?

 

Hmmmmmm……………I’m struggling to recall another president in my lifetime who stood up publicly (and viciously) to disrespect Gold Star parents, war veterans, the handicapped, science and scientists, and all other manner of Americans who didn’t support his personal agenda. I don’t recall another president calling me a cheater because I did not vote for them….and then try to invalidate my vote. There’s a reason we react differently now, because Trump in particular and the Republican Party in general has made it okay. I know you weren’t trying to, but your statement pretty much supports my previous point……..

 

I'm not sure how old you are, but I was born in 58. I'm not talking about the behavior of the president, I'm talking about the behavior of people in general. People were MUCH more disrespectful in the 70's and 80's than they are now. The difference is now they can't get away with it without being called out.

 

I just turned 67. And maybe it’s the way we were brought up? I was brought up in total Catholic immersion for the first 18 years of my life. Yeah, yeah, I know, plenty of rude and obnoxious Catholics (and other denominations) out there (and then some) but I’m just saying that, in my bubble growing up, we got our asses handed to us for being rude and/or disrespectful. No two ways about it. And that was how I was launched into the world. I didn’t see a lot of what we’re seeing today (though the public school kids could be pretty pricky). And the organization I worked for the last 28+ years of my working life held us similarly (and firmly) accountable for professional (also known as respectful) behaviors. Personally I just consider it a necessary part of being an “adult”. And for 67 years I have spent a lot of time pondering why it is so hard for so many individuals (national “leaders” in particular) to understand and follow the Golden Rule. It just ain’t that hard…….we get what we give. And if we give shit, we get shit. So why knowingly and willingly bring it on ourselves????………But again, that’s just how I was raised.

 

I just found it a bit amusing that many in here thought I owed a trans restaurant server an apology when I was simply being courteous and respectful. Is it my fault that I got their newfound gender wrong? No, it's not. Next time, if there's even a question in my mind, I'll simply smile and say, "Thanks, you."

 

I was raised similarly, but I encountered so much derision when I was younger that I think it was much worse back then. Just my opinion.

 

If you blinked you missed the complete destruction of women's sports. Maybe should post in Olympics thread but that was predicted when a transgender woman qualified for the Australian weight lifting squad. Women's weight lifting is very far from glamour event but this year media turned out en masse to proclaim how trans women's supposed unfair advantage would destroy women's sports, plus they would assault innocent white girls in locker rooms, something that has never actually happened. Well, she bombed. Three cis women won medals.

And yes, ABM, if you misgender someone, even if accidental, it's appropriate to say "I'm sorry for my mistake". Like it would be if you mistakenly called someone by the wrong name.

 

I hear ya. I think their attitude towards me made all the difference. I mean, why couldn't she have been a bit nicer about it? People are people. Be nice, folks.

 

I agree that it would be appropriate to apologize if you misgender someone. I'm undecided on transgender people competing in biologically male or female sports. It seems to me that the potential for a competitive advantage exists there.

 

Yeah, but remember she's probably taken a lot of shit. Sometimes you have to suck it up and be polite when the other person isn't. If you politely called a lady Ms. Rodriguez and she snapped at you "It's Ms. Ramirez" you were polite and she was testy but still, saying I'm sorry is in order.

Let me tell you an unrelated true story. I have severe fragrance sensitivity. I just cannot be in a room with people wearing scented products and have to arrange my life accordingly. When my mother died, the funeral was in Southern California where she lived but my brother hosted a memorial up here in his home. The idea was to get together in a less formal setting, share memories, etc. He asked everyone to be scent free. A friend of his, who knows me, showed up wearing perfume. It was November so going outdoors wasn't an option. I had to immediately leave. MONTHS later she called and apologized. And I was pretty damn testy. Perhaps I should have been nicer because it was a mistake but I was forced out of the memorial to my own mother because she forgot. You know, we still are coldly polite when we see each other and when she hosts social events invites my sister and brother but not me.

 

Obviously not in this case. And you know most of the time it's not Olympics, we are talking of 12 year old girls playing soccer.

 

just because that gal didn’t win the weightlifting competition doesn’t mean a transgender person doesn’t have a competitive advantage. And I may be tone deaf, but I’m not familiar with an outcry over 12 year old trans gender girls playing soccer.

 

Thought I'd do a quick check related to the OP. Guess this thing is still ongoing. Film @ 11. Errrrr.......wait.

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/wi-spa-police-reports/

Five Women Have Filed Police Reports Alleging Indecent Exposure at Wi Spa

A total of five women have filed reports with the Los Angeles Police Department regarding a June 23 incident at Wi Spa, all of them claiming to have seen male genitals exposed in the women’s section of the Wilshire Boulevard health club.

One of the reports states that a woman “observed [the suspect] exit a jacuzzi fully nude. Victim observed male genitals on the suspect and became scared and upset.”

The incident went viral last month when one of the alleged victims—a woman known as “Angel”—posted a video to social media of her confronting the spa’s staff, claiming to have seen a nude man in the section designated for women. “So, it’s OK for a man to go into the women’s section, show his penis around the other women, young little girls—underage—in your spa? Wi Spa condones that, is that what you’re saying?” Angel could be heard saying to a masked spa worker, who seemed to assume the patron in question was transgender. “I see a dick! It lets me know he’s a man. He’s a man. He is a man. He is not no female.”

The video led to two weekends of out-of-control protests, with opposing political forces squaring off in the streets outside the spa. It also bred widespread suspicion that the video was a hoax meant to generate outrage about a hot-button topic. The video got major traction on Twitter and was aired on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show.

Almost immediately, the discussion turned to trans rights, although it was never confirmed the nude person the women report they saw in the spa was trans. When Los Angeles contacted Wi Spa in June, management provided a statement pointing to California Civil Code 51 (b), which makes discriminating against trans and other gender non-conforming people in business establishments illegal in the state. “Like many other metropolitan areas, Los Angeles contains a transgender population, some of whom enjoy visiting a spa,” the statement goes on. “Wi Spa strives to meet the needs of all its customers.”

On two recent Saturdays, July 3 and July 17, protests have drawn battling factions to the downtown-adjacent Westlake neighborhood, including members of the Proud Boys and a group calling itself SoCal Antifa. During the second protest, more than 30 arrests were made as protesters flung projectiles at police and many refused to disperse after an unlawful assembly was declared

Angel was the first alleged victim to file a report with the LAPD, which she did on July 6, after the first weekend of protests. More women came forward in subsequent days and weeks with their accounts, claiming to have “observed male genitalia.”

 

Plenty of schools and even states around the country are banning children from playing sports as their expressed gender.

 

Thanks for reminding me that I need to pay my yearly dues to the Straight White Male club. We vote yearly on how we're going to oppress and piss off the rest of the world.