OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Covid death can come true, it can happen to you
If you don't get the vax
For it's easy, you will find, to be narrow of mind
If you don't get the vax

You can go to extremes with ivermectin schemes
You can laugh when your health falls apart at the seams
And life gets more difficult with each passing day
And death is either in your heart or on it's way

Don't you know that it's worth every treasure on earth
To not get the vax
For as rich as you are, it's much better by far
To not get the vax

And if you should survive to a 105
Look at all the libs you'll own by being alive
And here is the best part, you've had a brain fart
If you are among the foolish at heart

And if you should survive to a 105
Think of all the libs you'll own by being alive
And here is the best part, you've had a brain fart
If you are among the foolish at heart

barfo

 

Actually, there are at least 3 - infection, symptoms, and transmission. You are lumping infection (inbound) and transmission (outbound) together, but they are different issues.

Even if an infected vaxxed person is exactly as likely to transmit the virus to another person, that doesn't mean the vaxxed person is equally likely to get infected in the first place.

barfo

 

I wonder how the vaccine caused two suicides, 4 and 23 days after vaccination.

It almost seems like that might just be unrelated.

And if the vaccine didn't cause the suicides, did it really cause the other reported issues?

barfo

 

Data from vaccine reporting site being misrepresented online

CLAIM: Screenshots of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System show people who have died after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: Missing context. The VAERS system is an unverified reporting system that does not determine if a vaccine caused the events that are reported.

THE FACTS: As more and more Americans receive the COVID-19 vaccine, posts online are using data from an adverse event reporting system to cast doubt on the vaccine.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which run the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, are quick to note the limitation of the data, which serve as an early signal to detect issues with any vaccines.

VAERS was created in 1990 to give anyone from health care professionals to the general public the chance to submit reports. The data is publicly available online. The CDC says on its website that “reports submitted to VAERS often lack details and sometimes contain errors.”

Posts online are sharing VAERS data without any context. Screenshots of the data being shared online give a vague description to paint a much darker version of reality and mislead social media users into believing that the vaccine is causing more adverse events than the public is being told.

“VAERS - A MUST WATCH!!!!,” one video showing VAERS data on Instagram said. “I bet you haven’t seen any of THIS information about the COVID-19 vaccine covered on CNN, or any off the other treasonous corrupt mainstream media!”

Some screenshots show only a VAERS identification number, the age of the person who was vaccinated, the day they received the vaccine and the day they died to suggest that people are dying from the vaccine. The posts with misleading captions are being widely shared across social media platforms.

“I have not seen any data supporting that the vaccine caused a relationship with an increase in mortality rate or something like that,” said Dr. Werner Bischoff, an infectious disease specialist at Wake Forest University.

According to the CDC, VAERS does not determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse events, which can often happen coincidentally after immunization.

VAERS has often been misrepresented by anti-vaccine advocates, and the distribution of a COVID-19 vaccine has brought more attention to the surveillance system.

There was a time when a number of reports in VAERS were from people concerned that vaccines were causing autism, which has been debunked, said Dr. James Campbell, professor of pediatrics and infectious diseases at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

Since anyone can submit a report to the system, it is impossible to know if the symptoms were caused by the vaccine. VAERS says on its website that knowingly filing a false report is against the law.

“There are spikes of reporting on various things and some people unfortunately use VAERS inappropriately,” Campbell said. “Any symptoms can be reported by VAERS by anyone.”

Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have undergone three phases of clinical trials and been tested on about 70,000 people. Subjects have undergone a two-month follow-up as part of the phase 3 of the clinical trial. So far, more than 20 million Americans have received the first dose of the Pfizer and Moderna shots since December.

Dr. Prathit Arun Kulkarni, an infectious disease expert at Baylor College of Medicine, said what people forget when sharing VAERS data is that populations have baseline issues that do not change based on the introduction of vaccines such as heart attacks or deaths.

“The main purpose is to try and detect new, unusual, rare side effects or adverse events that can happen after vaccination,” Kulkarni said. “The limitations of such a system are that it can be difficult to tease out causality from temporality.”

Despite what the false posts online may suggest about the vaccines, the evidence supporting their use is there. Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines have been proven 95% effective against COVID-19 illness.

“There is really good evidence that the vaccine prevents you from dying of covid,” Campbell said. “At this point, there is absolutely no evidence that the vaccine itself has increased rates of death.”

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This is part of The Associated Press’ ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online, including work with Facebook to identify and reduce the circulation of false stories on the platform.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9957832237

 

Fact check: Reports of adverse effects in US database aren’t confirmed to be linked to vaccination

A video is being shared on social media that sees a presenter examining data from a US system that collects reports of adverse health events that follow the administration of a vaccine.

The video (here) features data collected by the US Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), which is freely available to download (list of files here: here, an updated version of the dataset shown in the video can be downloaded here: here).

Anyone can report events to VAERS (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html) and a disclaimer on the website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says: “The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” (here). When downloading the data, users are presented with a further disclaimer that the data does not include information from investigations into reported cases. The disclaimer also says “the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality” (here).

The presenter says she is looking at adverse reactions and deaths in people who have received the COVID-19 vaccine (timestamp 0.10) and then filters this data to show people who are reported to have died. She says this now shows only people who have died within seven days of receiving a vaccine. This is incorrect, there is no limit on reporting deaths related to adverse effects following a vaccine (here). The data includes deaths reported more than seven days after receiving a vaccine ( see VAERS ID 916890). As she scrolls through this filtered list, the presenter says: “These people did not survive the vaccine”.

However, on its website, the CDC says the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

“Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death,” it says.


“CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information and learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or unrelated.”

“To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.”

The CDC estimates that about 1.3 million COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered to residents in long-term care facilities as of Jan. 18, 2021. Given this, the CDC expected to see a background mortality of 11,440 deaths (slide 36 here), which is multiple times higher than the number of VAERS reports in the dataset.

Further to this, the VAERS dataset presented in the video did not just include events reported after COVID-19 vaccines. On-screen text in the video says a one-year-old died from the COVID-19 vaccine, but children younger than 16 years of age are not authorized to receive the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines in the United States (here). The VAERS report in question says that the vaccine the one-year-old had received was a flu shot (VAERS ID number 942246, vaccine data downloadable here: here).

Throughout the video, the woman says that about 1% of vaccine injuries and deaths are reported. (Timestamps 0.03, 2.20 and 3.20).


A spokesperson for the CDC told Reuters by email that reporting rates for adverse events vary. She said: “Mild events, like a rash, tend to be reported less frequently than severe events (like a seizure). We have data to show that serious adverse events that occur after vaccination are more likely to be reported than non-serious adverse events. Events such as a sore arm at the injection site might not get reported since they are expected and therefore people don’t feel the need to report them.”

Studies have found reporting rates on VAERS of 47% for cases of intussusception cases after the rotavirus vaccine and 68% for paralytic polio after the oral polio vaccine, while rates ranged from 13 to 76% for anaphylaxis (here).

VERDICT
Partly false. In the US, the VAERS collects reports of adverse effects in patients following vaccination but it does not show whether those adverse effects were caused by a vaccine. The death of a one-year-old included in the data could not have been caused by a vaccine for COVID-19, as the child had not received one.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...med-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ

 

The part you bolded is a bit out of context don't you think?

We have data to show that serious adverse events that occur after vaccination are more likely to be reported than non-serious adverse events.

Meaning that when there are serious problems with any vaccines doctors use that system to report them.

What's concerning to me is the links in the post you posted lead to an anti-vax site.



The part I circled takes you to some interesting articles.

 

Yes, the raw data is from VAERS. But the follow-up reports, investigations, and determinations are not included. And to get a complete understanding of what is and has happened you need that follow-up information.

I have no idea if there is false information posted by anti-vaxxers in those reports. But when an anti-vax website encourages non-medical personnel to post on VAERS you have to look at it more closely.

I'm willing to bet you took statistics college, you know you can take raw data and interpret it to prove just about anything you want.

An antivax website is not going to look at the VAERS data from any vaccine objectively. Just like a Trail Blazer website is not going to look at the Lakers objectively.

But as you can hopefully tell I did look at the statistics you posted.

Here is an example of what you posted was a bit suspicious to me:

I looked at a few of those reported cases of Bell's Palsy. None of them attributed Bell's Palsy to any of the vaccines. Only that the patients had a vaccine. Attributed means caused and that conclusion is not in those posts. The US averages 40,000 cases a year of Bells Palsy. 2,607 cases of Bell's Palsy in people who have had the vaccine doesn't seem like an abnormality to me. It's enough to investigate, for sure! But to say that the covid vaccines are causing Bell's Palsy when only looking at VAERS data seems like a stretch.

We have to be careful when looking at raw data and drawing conclusions from it. 98% of all fatal passenger car accidents last year the cars had 4 tires. 2% had 3 or fewer tires. Therefore based on those numbers having 3 or fewer tires on a car is in fact safer than having all four.