OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. jonnyboy

    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    It’s already a done deal I’m afraid. The government doesn’t return privileges they have taken. Lockdowns, contact tracing and passports of various kinds will now be commonplace, and implemented to ‘protect’ us from whatever boogeyman comes next.

    Think Patriot Act. It was an egregious trampling of freedoms disguised as temporary public safety. 20 years later and not a single one of those freedoms have been restored, even after the last four presidents have claimed victory over the enemy they were supposedly protecting us from.

    Some dickhead at the NSA is still jerking off to our wives’ nudies they text us.
     
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  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Stop fear mongering
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    Opinion | Here's your decision: Get vaccinated first or be infected first

    From the onset of the SARS-CoV2 (COVID-19) pandemic, there has been hope that “herd immunity” will eventually protect those who forgo vaccination. Herd immunity is the concept that when enough people have acquired immunity to a virus, virus transmission will be reduced to negligible levels. You might be among the herd of hopefuls, banking on having made it this far already, bolstered perhaps by the knowledge none of your friends or family has gotten seriously ill with COVID-19.

    If this is your strategy, I am sorry to tell you that science and history show that this won’t work. I have studied immune recognition of respiratory viruses and how viruses avoid immunity for 40 years. There are two things that I can relate with complete confidence.

    First, SARS-CoV2/COVID-19 is not going away anytime soon, if ever. COVID-19 is similar in many ways to the devastating 1918 pandemic, which was caused by the introduction of a new influenza (flu) virus into the human population.

    The 1918 flu virus and its mutant descendants (variants, think delta variant) infected nearly everyone in the world over the next few years. It is still morphing into new variants, 103 years later as it continues to circulate around the world. Herd immunity has slowed transmission, but everyone has been infected and reinfected multiple times with the descendants of the 1918 flu. And reinfections are not limited to flu: other coronaviruses and many other human respiratory viruses can reinfect you multiple times.

    Second, when it is your turn to be infected with SARS-CoV2, your body will be in a far better position to defend itself if vaccination has educated your immune system to fight SARS-CoV-2. At this point, approximately 99 percent of COVID-19 deaths occur in the unvaccinated. In other words, full vaccination reduces your chances of dying from COVID-19 by nearly 100-fold. Fortunately, the COVID-19 vaccines are among the most effective vaccines ever developed and are far more effective than influenza vaccines.

    However, they are not perfect, particularly in the face of variants like the delta variant, which can evade some of the immune response. Nevertheless, while vaccinated people might be infected, they are far less likely to become symptomatic or hospitalized than non-vaccinated people.

    While the COVID-19 vaccines do have side effects, serious reactions are exceedingly rare. Vaccination is, in fact far safer than infection (at least a thousand times safer). Vaccination not only protects you but those around you since even if you are infected, you will be less infectious to others, including millions in the U.S. alone who cannot be effectively vaccinated due to health issues and age.

    Importantly, every day you wait to be vaccinated, your chances increase of getting a serious, even lethal, case of COVID-19 or “long COVID” since age is the major risk factor for these outcomes.

    Your decision comes down to this: Be vaccinated first or infected first. It’s that simple, given the certainty that SARS-CoV2 will eventually infect you.

    It might be easy to dismiss my advice as yet another opinion by a random “expert.” But why risk getting COVID-19? Why risk being the next headline patient pleading for vaccination as they are intubated? Why risk being eulogized? COVID-19 hospitalization and deaths, even from the delta variant, are almost entirely prevented by vaccination. Prepare your body for battle and get vaccinated today.
     
  4. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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  5. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    If wearing a mask in public is only 2% effective right now in Oregon just 2% more ICU beds would mean a hell of a lot to some very worried families right now.
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    One or the other has to have happened to everyone by now
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    How is contact tracing a lost freedom?

    "Hello sir, we understand you ate at the Sizzlers last week. There is a Hepatitis B outbreak and we wondering if you had the salad bar or Malibu chicken."

    "HOW DARE YOU CONTACT ME! I REFUSE TO GIVE UP MY SALAD BAR ANONYMITY! FROM MY COLD DEAD SALAD TONGS!"
     
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    Not yet, but by the end of this delta variant surge, probably most will have done one or the other, or both.
     
  9. jonnyboy

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    If I have to ask you why the government needs to know I ate at sizzlers last week, then we probably just aren’t going to see eye to eye on this one.

    Plus, what if I want to enjoy the buffet and run out without paying, sniff seats, or commit other such petty crimes at the local sizzlers? I have rights.
     
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    it’s “sizzler”.
     
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  11. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    It's far, far lower than 2%.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Isreal is not ultra vaxxed. They aren't even at 60% total vaccinated yet...
     
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    So we were locked down tight before. Then the government gave up those restrictions too early and allowed us to open back up.

    They literally returned privileges just a few months ago...

    And if you didn't want the NSA jerking off to your wife's nudes you shouldn't have married such a hot wife.

    Seriously though, I don't think the surveillance state would stand if people understood the freedom lost better.

    People understand the mask mandates, And they will not stand longer than necessary.
     
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    In certain cases... what a compelling argument. The vaccine isn't 100% effective so we better turn to something that has allegedly worked "in certain cases". Really intelligence logic. The group of independent, international experts concluded that the evidence of whether Ivermectin works at all is of "very low certainty". Yet apparently you want to defend that while underplaying the effectiveness of the vaccines and masks. Makes total sense.

    Ah yes, always good to "experiment" with drugs (especially drugs that the WHO recommends are used only in clinical trials when it comes to COVID) when there are vaccines available and your patients health is at risk. Very responsible. But hey, at least they're not doing what the big bad media and government tell them to do.


    Nobody cares what you're doing, you're just not that interesting. Funny that you think they have nothing better to do though. Quite the ego.
     
  17. calvin natt

    calvin natt Confeve

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    There’s no logic. It makes no sense. Good post
     
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    This is the most important part of what he shared. The implied standard of 'no covid transmission' is the wrong standard to be discussing.

    We should be talking about how to move forward and live our lives.
     
  19. jonnyboy

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    The nine responses I got within an hour, including your few paragraphs, would suggest otherwise. But that might just be my inflated ego playing tricks on me.
     
  20. EL PRESIDENTE

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