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  1. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Philosophy 101……..with a little Jesuit twist thrown in……you have faith that I am wrong. You have faith you are correct. You have faith that you don’t have to have a faith based position. Our entire lives are based on faith, whether we like it or not. I assume you have faith you’re going to wake up tomorrow morning, faith that you’ll actually receive that paycheck, faith that your car will start when you go home tonight. Life IS a faith based proposition……..and religion has nothing to do with it……
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    No, this doesn't have anything to do with faith. This all has to do with reason.

    You can take action which pays off by following trends. If there is usually food at the table at a certain time it makes sense to be there at that time if I'm hungry.

    If my paycheck is normally deposited into my account on a certain day I can plan on that being the case routinely.

    This isn't faith. It's logic and reason.

    Faith is believing something without the need for logic or reason.

    Faith:
    complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

    I don't have complete trust in anything that hasn't been proven.
     
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  3. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    I’ve worked in both the public and private sectors…….logically my paycheck would be there when it was supposed to be. For various reasons, that was not always the case. So…., after those experiences, it was more an act of faith that it would be there than an act of reason. Anyone’s employer can go broke overnight. Most employees have faith that that won’t happen to their employer. And for whatever it is worth, in today’s unreasonable world, I’d rather rely on my faith (in whatever) than someone else’s “reason” (which usually comes with an agenda attached). I personally rely on both my own reasoning and faith…..with faith (in general) being the leader in the clubhouse…….
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I understand you personally may live by faith. But I have no faith it will be there. The odds are that my paycheck will be there and that's why I do my job. If that were not the case I wouldn't work for that employer.

    I have the means to get by in case that paycheck doesn't come, precisely because I don't have faith that it always will, without fail. Even though it always has before.
     
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    Faith relates to things hoped for and many times the opposite of fear.
     
  6. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Sure, and it depends on what I bring to the fight.

     
  7. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    K, let's cut the crap. I have faith in a God you don't believe in. Do you have a problem with that?
     
  8. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Please tell me how I'm doing that based on a post of mine in here. I'll respond to that, accordingly.
     
  9. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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  10. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Again, how is that just because I have certain beliefs, I'm arbitrarily pushing them down some one else's throat? I know you're not meaning to be obtuse, but, c'mon.
     
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    If you don't believe in abortion or gay marriage, you can choose not to marry a guy, and not to get an abortion. By voting specifically for candidates who oppose those two things, you are taking your personal beliefs and hoping to have them pushed on others through legislation and legal rulings.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I don't have a right to vote for those who may have those same views?
     
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    You have the right to, sure. But then don't act incredulous to people pointing out that that's taking your personal religious beliefs and pushing, or hoping to have them pushed, on to others. You're not accepting of abortion and same sex marriage if you're actively voting to get them overturned.
     
  14. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Bull crap. My believing one way is not the same as pushing my beliefs some down another's throat.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I never said I believed in abortion nor same sex marriage because I don't.
     
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    When you vote to have your beliefs pushed on others, it most certainly is.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    We all vote for our own beliefs, right? You may want gun control, etc. What do the voters in general want?
     
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    If I openly talk on here often of wanting to ban guns, and vote strictly for pro gun control candidates, I would also view that as me pushing my beliefs on people. I'm ok with that. I want my views on universal health care pushed on people, and will vote accordingly. I'm able to call a spade a spade.
     
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    You mean like...a law from the bible?!
    Or I guess we just pick and choose who to control through the text. :)
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    If that were the laws of the land, I'd go with that.
     

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