Forcing your beliefs on others is whats at the heart of the issue. Some people struggle to see the difference between passing a law that outlaws abortion (that's forcing your beliefs on someone else) and passing a law that doesn't outlaw abortions (that's not forcing your beliefs on anyone). How is it not (you might wonder)? One is making you do something, the other is giving someone the option to do it or not.
Who else supports voting in people who want government to control the lives of half of the population for months to years because a fairy tale told them they should?
Nobody has the right to dictate somebody else's personal decisions as long as nobody else is being harmed.
Playing devils advocate here….A fetus is a living thing, that would fall under “as long as nobody else is being harmed” So you are pro life?
So if you believe in science. Being pro life or pro choice is a stance, but science says it’s a living thing regardless
No it's not. Not until the woman decides it is and starts telling everyone. There is no impact on society regardless of what happens to that fetus if nobody but the family and ductor know about it. Unless it's unwanted and forced, in which case it's far more likely to become a criminal, hence having a negative impact on society. Also, the woman is far more likely to die if forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy. Also a negative impact on society. She's also at greater risk of depression. Another negative impact on society. Society should very clearly make sure she has every opportunity to do what she chooses.
So is sperm then. And I'm telling you, if we're counting all of those as murders I've got Ghangis Khan beat by a mile...
Jesus. Anybody packing like that is obviously a savage who should be hunted down and slain. How could our wives resist the temptation? Especially with marijuana legalized...
It was. You claimed that since it's alive it's somebody. I'm saying that's not the case. Tomatoes are alive and they aren't somebody. Cancer cells are alive and they aren't somebody. Sperm are alive and they aren't somebody. Embryos or fetuses don't become babies unless a woman allows them to. Coat hangers exist. As do pills easily available by mail from other countries. She could even off herself at any time and there goes the whole thing. It should not legally be considered a baby until she decides it should or until it can be removed and live a long, healthy, and normal life apart from her at somebody else's expense. If the government wants to give enough incentive for her to choose to let them take the embryo at taxpayer expense instead, I could probably get behind that.
Yes I agree. Embryos should be classified similar to sperm. If a woman wants it out it should come out. I hope you're not devils advocating yourself into supporting legislation which makes giving yourself a hand illegal?
My argument was saying it is harming somebody because science says it’s somebody. My argument had nothing to do with women’s rights. Just that technically it is somebody
I slugged a guy for mouthing off at my wife. He tried to belittle her because she's Asian. He didn't know I was right behind him help when he said his low down dirty little thing. Guess how long it took me to react? That's right, less than a second. I don't put up with that shit from anyone. At that time I could handle myself. Now, I'm a helpless babe in the woods. Someone would have to back up my angry mouth.
Science in the form of the medical community says no such thing until you reach the last trimester. I say it needs to have a functioning brain and a fully functioning nervous system before you can call it someone.
