Trade Ben Simmons poll

ben wallace was a poor ft shooter. So was wilt. They won.

yes they were beasts.
So is Simmons when you compare him to people of his size. He is a freak. Damn near the same size a giannis but way more mobile.

ft shooting might be the easiest fix in the sport. It just takes discipline and dedication. There are many many players who started out poor and improved thier ft percentage as thier careers moved on.

so to hang a hat on one thing and say its too much of a flaw is not accurate in my book.
You keep pointing to one year of playoffs when there are stats showing he CAN be an elite offensive player in the right system.
You keep referencing the playoffs as a be all end all as the foundation of your position when several people noted games where he played great.
He is 24. The room for improvement is too great to take a pass on a player who is elite at most skills.

find me a player in the nba without a flaw.

right now he would be our second best player. And he would be bettercthan our current second best plYer.
If it doesnt aork tou flip him for someone elsw. But if he does, its the roster balancing this team has needed. For years.
Gotta take a chance if its available because standing pat isnt gonna work wither.
Definition of insanity os trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
If this three guard lineup doesn't work starting the season out. We better pull the trigger.

 

@sheed30

simmons can improve his ft% and who better to help motivate him and keep him positive than Dame???

 

Of course he can. It's all mental and Lillard is the best leader in sports. Billups was a great leader in his day as well. People act like Simmons was frozen in carbonite after game 7 in ATL and that's the full measure of who he is forever. I remember Dame getting slapped vs. the Pels and looking really questionable. I'm not saying Simmons has close to Dame's mentality, he doesn't, I'm saying you can have a horrific series if you're a great player and then use that as motivation to improve especially with guys like Beckner or Dame himself in your ear. Simmons is already a great player and his flaw has been highlighted, italicized, written in bold, and underlined three times. He knows it's the flaw and with Dame and Billups he can for sure improve in this area.

The only reason we have a shot to get Simmons is that series. Why do you think Morey is asking for LeBron AD and 73 1st to get a trade done? Unlike the folks myopically focused on ATL he knows how good Simmons is and I'm guessing he's absolutely horrified how low Simmons value has gotten. Simmons has a serious, but highly correctable flaw in his game, in fact, it's the single easiest skill to develop in the NBA unlike say passing, defense, or ball-handling all of which Simmons is ELITE at.

 

Whats weird to me is most Aussies in the NBA are excellent shooters from 3 and ft.
Do you think its a case he’s never worked on those areas or just excepts its not a strength he can or wants to develop?

 

Let me toss out a theory: too much success too early in his career. All the accolades he won from day one convinced him his game as a whole was "good enough" and he could overlook his obvious shortcomings. If he had Dame's attitude (never satisfied/always looking to improve) he really would be a great player.

 

He's not really an Aussie. His dad is an American basketball player that played his pro career in Australia. They moved back here for his high school ball and he played college ball here as well. I think it's a case of him never getting comfortable with his shot because he knows that he's better getting to the hoop or setting up a teammate. So he never gets warmed up and when he has to shoot at the line he's shooting cold every time. I also think a change of scenery will change how he looks at the game and next season, wherever he is, he'll shoot better from the line and shoot more threes and therefore hit more.

 

I think that's discounting all of the things Simmons is good at and overlooking the things Dame struggles with. I think every player that finds success plays to their strengths and develops those strengths. Dame has become a master at scoring the ball (especially from distance) and great at facilitating offense. Simmons has become a master at defense and is also great at facilitating offense and scoring when getting to the rim which he does pretty effortlessly. Dame's defense leaves something to be desired. Simmons won't shoot the damn ball and when he has to at the free throw line, he leaves something to be desired.

 

OK, I really disagree with that. Simmons could improve his FT shooting with practice. No matter how hard Dame works, he will never grow taller or grow a longer reach. Apples to oranges. Furthermore, a coach with a different defensive scheme should be able to make Dame at least an adequate team defender. Doc's questionable schemes didn't cause Simmons to miss FTs.

 

Yeah, I just can't buy what you're trying to sell. CP3 is shorter, has a smaller wingspan and is slower than Dame but he's mastered his defense, while Dame most definitely has not. CP3 personally transformed the Suns defense he didn't and hasn't depended on coaches or schemes. So again I'll tell you, most players work on and play towards their strengths. It's just the way it goes. I'm not saying that Simmons can't, shouldn't or won't work on and get much better at shooting (especially free throws) but he's not the only player to work on what he's good at and get better at what he's already good at while stagnating in the places where he's weak.

 

Yes!!
Over CJ (no defense) Nurkic (oft-injured AND expiring contract)

KAT running pick & roll with Dame, with Nance, RoCo and Norman Powell

That’s championship potential!

Dame/CJ/Nurk is NOT a defensive force nor elite by any means. Time to stop being a homer and put a force on the floor with Dame! KAT’s that guy.

Simmons won’t make the same impact as will KAT

 

the giant flaw in your logic: Simmons is available, maybe for what Portland could give up, KAT isn't

 

Simmons is available?
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If we can’t acquire KAT, we need to accomplish the following:

break up Dame/CJ back court; ain’t gonna win a title

move Nurk before we have to overpay next year…

can Simmons realistically be our Center? I’ve seen this theory posted here and just don’t buy it. And Dame and Simmons are not complimentary imo

We both know that OLSHEY won’t trade CJ so we’ll just have to microwave this cake

 

I tend to agree with a couple of your points: Dame/CJ will go nowhere together except into retirement without a championship. And, Olshey will never trade CJ. So then 2 + 2 = fire Olshey

 

1000%
Danny Ainge in waiting?? He and Billups =like it
If we are 1st round - and - out this year, OLSHEY must go! I’m fact he should resign. Then we are looking at a rebuild I fear.

if ONLY Neil could see a CJ/Nurk and Pick for KAT….I honestly believe we’d have something AND a free agent next Summer will want to join this Dame/KAT duo

 

on the surface a CJ for Green sounds unfair. So I say “make it more fair” by turning this into a 3-team or 4-team trade and bring us back Green and quality PG to back up Dame.

I wouldn’t puke over such a move.

 

If all he cares about is getting paid, then why is he sitting out training camp?

@MakeBenSimmonsABlazer

 

Most teams/players won't win a title. Doesn't mean it isn't fun to watch them win a bunch of games and sometimes have a "chance" of winning. I'd much rather ride out Dame/CJ than be a Kings fan or a Wolves fan. They don't have any fun. That said, I'd love to get KAT.

 

I dont known that Nurk would get any offer over the full MLE even with a good season. Few teams have cap space and even fewer want a center. I can't find a team that makes sense.

 

1. KAT is not available (yet)
2. If KAT asks out, it won't be us that gets him
3. This is a GOOD THING because he is a Luh-OOZER.