If women truly want EQUAL rights, then they should also see the whole picture and how it affects ALL involved, regardless of magnitude and, so that, together they can come to an agreeable solution. Two mature adults thinking about the long term ramifications of each decision for all three parties involved. This should be what the main push is for. Not for fuck men its the woman's call. That would be trying to ensure everyone involved has equal input and the solution is resolved as optimally as possible for all. No. Not all will be agreed upon and impasses will take place, of which the woman gets final say. Like i said. Im not legally or physically ever forcing anything on a woman. Im pushing back on the “the father has no say” narrative he absolutely does and for equal rights to happen the woman has to take his stance into consideration and not consider it irrelevAnt and wrong the the man to even voice his opinion or position on it. There is no perfect answer. But some of the comments made are damn near reverse prejudice against man in the midst of claiming to fight for equal rights. I mean, a person on here, who up until she labeled me a heartless woman hater(summarized), i gave nothing but respect and generosity to, even though i knew our political viewpoints were vastly different. But when she realized i don't agree with her on a fronts, i was told to go fuck myself. Just another example of hypocritical behavior regarding how we should treat one another… I worship my wife, lover her. My mother. My sister. My nieces. Ive never cheated in any relationship. I love life and all life and beleive women abould be treated with utmost respsect, wordhipped my man of sorrs. But no. Im told i think of women as nothing more than a uterus by someone so fucking judgmental she cant see that the very thing she says she hates, she has become. and all the rest of you coming at me co Plety dismiss that dou le standard and excuse it az okay( thats what i speak of by dumbing ourselves down @Phatguysrule We are accepting this bs of pointing fingers, but allowing those who point fingers to do the same things themselves… as long as their political stance aligns with mine. Its shifting blame and ownership of ones actions onto a other without any self awareness. We are dumbing ourselves down by lack of recognition of our own double standards) but hey. Anyone who thinks abortion is immoral but still wont take the right away from the woman can just go fuck themselves. They are despicable, immoral people… Wtfe.
I don't track your personal position. Expecting me to do so is a bit unreasonable. If you post in supper of a position of banning abortions don't be surprised when people think you support that stance. Nobody belittled anybody for their personal opinion on abortion. Only on the implication that a woman should be forced or coerced into continuing a pregnancy she doesn't want. I can't help if the facts of that argument make you feel belittled. If the facts don't pertain to your position then don't take offense to them. But if your position does make you feel belittled perhaps you should reconsider supporting that position.
i cant believe you said this. Just wow. This stance is despicable. One can read above and clearly see my stance was belittled. Not by facts but by others peoples personal viewpoint to try to , call me out. Its ot bow you say it. Its how its received. Just because some people here think that passive aggressive behavior is okay and funny, doesnt make it so. Its insulting and belittling.
I am certain there are. I have been privately investigating it for years and have confirmed at least 2-3.
I've used the Svengali approach on you and I've used the Houdini approach on you and nothing works, you still out me. A curse, I now lay a curse on you.
I do get forceful when people support limiting people's rights, especially when only supported by bigoted points of view. You may find that unbelievable but I'll support it forever.
you are targeting the wrong type of person. I made it clear I'm my first couple of posts i wont vote my personal view to make abortion illegal even though i think abortion is a copout at times. and btw you wont get the right target to budge at all using your vinegar. Try sugar. It tends to work better. Im gonna go fuck myself now though for being such a despicable person…
That's from just two posts, and you wonder why people argue with you. Maybe if you were capable of not belittling people so much and being so snarky people wouldn't come back at you like they do. I mean what do you expect? Then you get all fake-offended like you can't understand why everyone is arguing with you. Rinse, repeat.
I’m having trouble finding anything other than a 1981 article about the AMA opposing life at conception because it’s dangerous for the mother. Also, I don’t care too much because I am pro choice. I know my dr, who I spoke to Friday said life happens at conception. Anywho, I was just playing devil’s advocate
If a man really cares about having a baby he should maybe check with the women he has sex with and get their thoughts on it. Maybe get married, have a partner who agrees. I mean if there are men out there who would be so appalled at an abortion….make sure it doesn’t happen.
right. Just from two posts responding to others initial comments. Cause and effect. Gtfo with your strawman bs. Guy enters conversation politely, agreeing with others that government shouldn't dictate abortion regulation. But adds that he doesnt agree with abortion personally and says that optimally, for equal rights to be truly equal, a woman would take the mans position into consideration instead of saying he has no say, period. guy gets told thats despicable. Guy says thats bs and is a double standArd. Guy gets told to go fuck himself. Go back and join your buddies which your selective game of “gotcha” while never calling out your own for the initial behavior you are calling out. Talk about hypocritical positions….. I didnt demean anyones position until mine was mocked. So anyone who thinks i pull bullshit cards can fuck off with thier onesided, judgmental, superiority complexes.
And again, that isn't EQUAL rights. That is a man having control over a woman's body. By saying that if a woman wants an abortion, and the man wants the baby, the woman has to carry the baby is not EQUAL. It's ruling in favor of the man to have say and control over the woman's body.
Where in that statement did i say a woman has to carry a baby if the man wants? i said optimally the woman would put his position into consideration. How much clearer can i be when i say I'm not for forcing her to do anything???? But to be equal rights a woman would consider the fathers position. There is no forcing anything in that. Its simply giving enough respect to take pause, listen to the partners decision and then make her decision accordingly. All Ive been pushing back on is the claim the man has no say, period. How does having a right to say what they want, force anything on the woman???????????? why is it so bad to think a woman should lend an ear to his thoughts before making a decision??? I cant figure out what the disconnect is here. oh yeah. Im despicable and need to go fuck myself because I dont back down when people try mocking me for basically having the same stance as them. fucking ridiculous this has become. Lol.
I'd start by cutting out the victim card shit. It doesn't help a conversation, and frankly makes you come across as rather childish when you can't have a discussion without a long winded rant and victim carding. But I digress. As for where you said a woman had to carry if a man decides, in response to me saying if the woman doesn't want it, and the guy does, you responded: That's the man deciding. That's forcing her to do something. I'd say the disconnect lies in you first stating that, and now changing your stance to being she should just consider his position. Those are two vastly different things. If there is a disconnect, it is in you presenting your opinion in two different ways. I don't know how I am supposed to take your initial statement of they "both" decide, by the man getting the baby, and make the assumption from that that what you mean is she should just consider his feelings, and then ultimately get to decide. Do you not see how those are in contrast of each other?
where in there did i advocate my ideal situation should be a forced one and regulated with some law? Ill tell where. No where….. my ideal situation would be the woman respecting the mans desire to be a father of the child the conceived, and allow him that chance. He can pay for all of the medical bils etc or whatever, semantics. No where have i said i would be for any law forcing any woman to comply to the mans desires. Yall are mixed up and just quick to jump my shit. No victim card played just stating the situation as it is.
I asked a simple question to you. If the woman does not want the baby, and the man does, who gets to decide. You responded with "both", but that she has to carry the baby to term and give him the baby. That is forcing a woman to have the baby. That is the man choosing.
