again. In my ideal, respectful situation, she would do so for him and he would fund all of the costs. he gets desired fatherhood. She minimizes the stress of funding a pregnancy. And the most beautiful part is a conceived life is allowed an opportunity to exist and thrive. I never said i am for a legal mandate. I've made it clear from the get go I'm not for Any law forcing her to do anything she doesn't want to do. There is a difference between what one thinks should happen vs what they will vote to make happen.
I'm not talking about you voting for laws. That's you moving the goalposts from a stated position that if one was for and one was against, she has the baby and gives it up. In a question of who has the rights there to make the decision.
omg. I was told early the discussion was a out laws and i shouldnt join in if i wasnt to be involved in that… woidl you guys please make up your mind??? Talk about moving goalposts… and you cant see why i get fucking frustrated with some of you bouncing back and forth?
I'm talking about my question to you, your response, and where that led to. I mentioned how that isn't both deciding, and you followed that up by saying fuck that to whether a woman can decide if you are ever a father. Then you started in on being responsible for your actions and accountability. And then made more statements about equal rights.
i believe at that point i had already been told my stance was disgusting to go fuck myself and i was despicable.. for give me for going a bit extreme…
No, that came after you stated your position that there should be equal rights in the decision making process of whether the baby is carried to term.
“Just birth it and hand it over” ummmm you are wildly downplaying and underestimating the emotional part of this that it’s almost gross. Going full term and giving birth isn’t just something a woman should do out of respect for a guy. This is ridiculous
Yes. There should be equal rights. Should it be a law? No. Not all rights are law. There are moral rights that arent laws.
i think the confusion lies in when i say a man should have the right to have a say. I mean his opinion should not be silenced. I do not mean a man should have a legal right.
yeah yeah yeah. Im just evil for thinking stable relationships can optimally have respect other enough for each other to where if they enter into a relationship aNd had a child and she decides she doesn't want to be a mother, but he would look to father a child with her genes, that she might actually understand the flipside of wanting to be a father. Again. Its the optimal scenario. Its fantasy. Just like world peace is fantasy. Now lets go berate those who believe world peace is an optimal situation. You can lead the charge. You seem to be good at it.
But that's a man having a say in a woman's body. And again, when it is an issue of "equal" rights, how do you not see that by having the baby, that is not EQUAL, but the man controlling what happens?
Why is it controlling if he says he would like to raise the baby and she agrees to have it for him? Ive said she can deny it. Its her legal right. Not what i would like to see and not my optimal situation, but I'm never going to force what id like to see. Hopefully clearer?
It's controlling with what you previously said SHOULD happen, not this shift where you say she agreed. That has nothing to do with the discussion of a woman wanting an abortion.
actually all of the above comments came before you engaged with me, as i thought. But whatevs. Movin on.
yes. Optimally she would agree. That what is what i believe should happen in the optimal situation. Never gonna for what i believe should happen though. Clearer now?
It just has nothing to do with the discussion of abortion and the question I had asked, but whatever.
you asked who gets to make the choice if they disagree. I answered that. She does. The law already says so and i have said numerous times im not in favor of any law forcing her to a certain decision… so i did actually answer your question. Maybe not to your satisfAction, but i did in fact, answer it. … but whatever. I already showed you how @Phatguysrule told me the discussion was about the law. And now you are telling me it isnt?? again man. Make up your mind. Talk about moving goalposts…..
Where is this rule book about strict lanes we must stay in regarding one specific portion of abortion being discussed?
