So you're asking for a right men already have, and has never been limited or restricted, according to the 1st ammendment? I'm sure you can see why people might be a bit confused at your point of contention.
While using a very common idiom "having a say" to just mean voice an opinion, versus having influence or power to make a decision over.
possibly but the conversation was a bit all over the place with regards to personal beliefs and the law. I certainly could have said have a voice, not a say, but the. That could be misperceived too l, no? I would think that once i realized my words “having a say”were being perceived as with force, i clarified that? I even specifically addressed that in its own post? i said its likely the point of confusion?
OK. I guess I'm still not sure what you're upset about. Nobody is trying to remove a man's right to say what he wants. We have the right. So it's exactly as you want it. Which is cool. We are in this "Texas" thread discussing the new Texas legislation.
I think Orion has a point. It was pretty unclear at first but now he's cleared it up to my satisfaction. I would only say that there are circumstances when a man's opinion is not even a moral right such as rape or when a woman's life is in danger.
my point is how quickly some of you jump on the belittling bandwagon without any thought of maybe miss communication? No benefit of the doubt that im not a woman hating person like crand called me out for? The way you reacted and s few others are hlw congress reacts and plays and why we cant get shit done. dont agree with me? Your stance despicable and disgusting and can go fuck yourself. No thought to try to figure things out for sure first, and be 100% clear on ones desires, prior to just blasting him. good job at being a representation of society as a whole. Read something and react extremely. With the years and the posts and the things ive done for people here, i would think i would get the benefit of the doubt. That I'm not some hater of anything Think im gonna mail a blazer shirt out of kindness to someone i think is jsut a meat sack to put my dick in like crand hastily claimed while completely forgetting my generosity towards her? The fact thst some of you jump soooo quickly to insults becuase someone might not see things your way or communicate their stance exactly how you want it communicated. You just insult. i watched it happen to abm then me. Yall need to check yourselves with your moral superiority. But then i don't expect that to happen because these same people never admit to any wrongs. Never back up and say. Hmm maybe i could have asked more questions instead if telling him how he is. just like out congress on a local scale. And what i see is its mostly left wing people who acream force quality and justice are the ones sooo quick to smash the gavel of condemnation on another without even really knowing everything. Homestly what got me the most was crand telling me its clear whati think it its clearly not. But she doesn't give a shit enough to clear it with me even though ive gone out of my way to be generous with her. Instead im a woman hater who can go fuck himself. And that statement got alot of support Nd its fuckign bullshit based off false opinions developed without a valid foundation typical…. not one person stepped up and said they doubt i think of women as a meat sack. Instead had a mod quote me and not her and “act” as if he was addressing both of us. and then play typical stupid games when called out on it. Yeah im quite put off by the hasty condemnation aNd belittling that followed. We all know that sometimes things can get lost. Once again i had 6-6 people quoting me on this, bandwagoning on their attempts to “get me” that i may have gotten confused. Omfucking God. End of the world. Obs stance is disgusting. He can go fuck himself. Ive never said shit like that to anyone for their opinion unless im retaliating for their initial attack. But hey herei n S2 we have Godly creatures who do no wrong and feel thecroght to condemn and belittle anyoen who thinks differently. Hmmm sound familiar? reverse bigotry? Some seriously bettercthan though people here who simply can do no wrong. We should all learn frim thier belittling of others differing opinions. Its the way to change things for the better. Yep. Its a message board no facial expressions no pause or tonal vibes. Shit can get mixed up in here. Im not on here all day every day to keep track of every single post Nd make sure im right on all levels in all conversations based on all previous posts not directed st me as well as at me. Maybe some people should take a pause and remember that by and large most people here are human loving people. I really doubt abm has any less love for women than he does men. But is regularly treated like a womanizer around here by some. get off your high fucking horses! If you want to be sooo quick to tear a person down before being 100% clear on their stance, you better be ready for some serious push back. now que all the excuses from people who will not admit they don't know how i think 100% but proceeded to tell me off anyhow. No ones perfect… oh yeah. Except a few members here…..
People bitch about congress. But then Behave just like them…. people bitch about headline followers.. but them behave just like them. people complain about people not having facts before judging, but then do the same thing themselves… We all could use some better self awareness and restraint.
Go back and read my initial comment amd engagement with crand on this topic not sure i could have been any nicer? For someone so vocal about bow much she cant stande being judged for who she is was super quick to judge me and tel me to go fuck myself without even engaging im the conversation with me Nd just assuming things without My benefit of the doubt to my kindness towards her in the past. Yall gonna be soo fucking quick to judge and condemn, its not gonna go over well when i know where my moral stance is and its high enough to repect women enough to maintain their own choice but also high enough that i believe that we should do everything we can to avoid abortions ( without creating laws) because they are not moral in thier own right. i just need to remind myself to not post anything that might be of a different stance around here because around here some people are on here day and night waiting for that next moment to play “gotcha” see im morally superior to you, your a lesser person than me! its a new day. Yall cancontinue to belittle me and make excuses and blame me for your quick and hasty conclusions. Im done defending myself. Ill let some of you now claim me as playing victim instead of looking at your own flaws with regard to hasty condemnations… have at….
Abortion is a contentious topic. The combativeness centers around power and choice Around religious and moral objective It's a hard conversation to have considering there isn't one to really have In the end it's a women's right to choose I get that ABM doesn't think it's right because GOD in his view condemns that. Religiously it seems he is inclined to be against abortion. I get that others share this belief. I get that OB would like men to have a voice in whether to have the baby or not. If a man and a woman are in a relationship she will likely talk to him about it, if he is lucky. But, man has no choice in the matter because it's not his to make regardless of his desire or feeling on the matter. And OB did says this. The conflation in the matter is confusing having a choice in the matter and an opinion. I get the moral imperative. I get Crandc's ire at these points of view, especially with men in Texas and other places trying to make laws to control women's bodies. It's not just an argument or conversation for her. It's a fight for the rights to her own body, a war she and other women should not have to engage in but are being forced to. If women tried to create laws to control men's bodies it would go over like a turd in a punchbowl. So, why should men be compelled to think it should go well vice versa. These religious and moral imperatives that men have rooted themselves to in an attempt to have a stake in a conversation that was never theirs to have are moot. It is a women's body and it is a women's choice regardless. We can all argue. We can call each other names and hurl insults. But, it's not going to get anywhere. The fact is we could keep going and give the Melo thread a run for its money in size or we can agree to disagree.
Incredibly well said. Except Crandc cannot agree to disagree. My daughters cannot agree to disagree. They'll have to fight for themselves if we are unwilling to stand up for them on all fronts. Any movement to remove or further restrict their rights to their own body is despicable. History has shown that there can be no societal benefit from that kind of legislation, so society should keep it's nose out of it. Anything more strict than the combined results of Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey should not even be considered. And people who would move to restrict those rights, or support those who would need to hear how despicable and unproductive such laws are. Crandc has every right to respond the way she did. When people will not listen to logic, reason, or evidence there is no alternative than to fight for your rights. If we want to offer women an alternative to abortion, like harvesting and freezing the embryo, I'd be fine with that. Heck, I'd even be fine with it if we wanted to pay them for that hassle. Though that opens up a whole new can of worms...
I’m called to invoke the power of the true creator of the universe, the drunken tolerator of all lesser and more recent gods, and maintainer of gravity here on earth, May the great Flying Spaghetti Monster rouse himself from his stupor and let his noodly appendages ground each member of this distinguished forum in his cellar. The Church of our Durum savior position is that life starts before conception (somewhere around the point of seeing the boobs), and that sperms – as potential humans if allowed to develop – deserve the same protections as fetuses and fully grown people. Anyone who harms sperms is guilty of murder, including pushers of hot water Jacuzzi’s and tight-fitting underwears. We are all equal in the eyes of the LORD as declared by both Ragustarians and Pregostarians and even those wierdos that support Amy's natural sauce.
True. And, I was going to include that in my post as an addendum after I had written the agree to disagree part. Like I said for women it's not a conversation or argument it's a fight and it's not a fight they started.
bull shit. Read My first two posts to her above. One was a just pointing out she has the right to petition against straight marriage. Now read the second and what i bolded. She had no right to turn on me and claim i think of women as meat a meat sack and tell me to fuck off. I mean really… ill so lastly say just because a man believe abortion is bad and should be illegal doesnt make them think of women as a meat sack. It soesnt mean the person doesnt respect women im 99% sure if men had babies @ABM woudl still be agaisnt abortion and oush for it legally. So it has nothing to do with thinking less of women. It may have to do with limiting thier rights but it doesnt mean the person thinks less of women and that narrative really pissed me off. If men had babies, id still be against abortion. But wouldn't enforce laws about it. Does that mean im not for mens right or im a man hater? This is the logic that got me going. its wrong. Period. Its despicable to think otherwise. Just because someone is legally against abortion doesn't equate to them thinking less of women. Thats just a bullshit, limited stance.
Here you are below claiming women are wrong to not think men have rights to protect the pregnancy. Again, stating that if she has sex, men get a "say". Looks like you're using "say" in place of "right" to me. That's how I interpreted it, and I would be surprised if others did not. This is very offensive language. Here you are below actually advocating for tougher laws in a post which is discussing abortion... Here you are minimizing the suffering women have to go through during pregnancy, then appearing to disregard the statistics and trends which have shown that strict abortion laws are harmful to society and individuals. You made a lot of incredibly insensitive posts while disregarding logical and data based counterpoints. I think the responses you got were actually very fair.
