Trade Ben Simmons poll

What I believe, is that when it comes to being a jackass Morey and Paul are playing "hold my beer and watch this!" I don't trust either one and I find it hard to believe either of them created this situation all by themselves. YMMV

 

From what I can tell, Morey doesn't care about things like "saving face," he just wants to do whatever he perceives as leading to the best deal.

I think he'll be forced at some point to lower his demands because his demands at the moment are silly, but I don't think Philadelphia fan sentiment will have anything to do with it.

 

Unless fan sentiment reaches a fever pitch and they *gasp* turn on Morey for not making a deal. Ownership might take note of that and apply pressure. A part of me wants to see Morey get fired and a new GM make the Simmons trade on day One. Thats not outside the realm of possibility here. Media and fans can create sentiment that Owners might take note of. The buck doesn’t stop at Morey.

 

I dunno if it's the author's opinion or this is the way the team feels:
The Portland Trail Blazers’ C.J. McCollum is a better player than Brogdon and LeVert. He just doesn’t fill the bill at the point guard spot like Brogdon.

 

I think that's pretty accurate. The gap between CJ is small, if it's there, but Brogdon has good PG skills and has been running offenses as the primary facilitator. CJ hasn't done that. I'd imagine Philly has noticed that and has a lot of concerns about who would run the offense if Simmons wasn't there

 

If we're just going by AST% last year:

Brodgan: 25.7% AST, 9.8% TOV, 25.9% USG
CJ: 23.0% AST, 6.5% TOV, 27.1% USG
Ben: 31.0% AST, 19.5^ TOV, 20.2% USG

Recall CJ is the only one producing these stats in a different role, whereas Brogdan and Ben are both the playmakers. I think Philly is really going to miss Ben, tbh. He moves the ball a ton and gets everyone involved while not holding onto it much. I did that breakdown earlier of guys who assist that well with such low usage, and Ben is only among like 6 or 7 players who fit the bill (along with guys like CP/Lowry/etc). It's a rare breed that someone like Embiid is really going to hate playing without.

 

see, i could never put you on ignore. I get too much juice from you.
Im sorry. Ill try to back off man.
Its just i wish we could all be kinder to each other is all.
Ill let it go.

 

OK, this question is probably too speculative to really answer, but.....if you replace Simmons with CJ's inferior passing/superior ability to spread the court, which other 6ers benefit? Which will suffer? Any thoughts?

 

Brogdon is a very nice player and certainly a better PG and a better defender than CJ.
HOWEVER, I don't see that being the deciding factor. Who was the point guard the last year Doc coached the Clippers? I think, especially when your primary offense is a big man down low, that having a gifted floor general is overrated. They care much more about having shooting around Embiid, I bet.
THAT SAID: you can probably comfortably play Seth Curry next to Brogdon, but it would get ugly fast if you did that with CJ.
BUT THEN AGAIN: when Curry was with the Blazers, wasn't one of our top three-men groups CJ, Curry and Dame?

 

Instead of Dame?

 

I think Philly will trade for Facu Campazzo at some point (perhaps after Jamal Murray is healthy - although they'd like to do it while Ben Simmons is still holding out). He's (rightfully) behind Monte' Morris in the Nuggets' depth chart, and they're very excited about Bones Hyland. Meanwhile, he's an ideal Philly player (i.e., chippy).

 

I wonder if Embiid sentiment will have something to do with it.

 

Possibly, though while the relationship between Simmons and Embiid worsens by the minute, that relationship is kind of irrelevant with Simmons not around the team. Maybe Embiid will be angry not to have CJ McCollum or some other sub-star player that Morey could get now, but unless Embiid has a bad relationship with Morey I don't see him making waves any time soon. Maybe if he were forced to play with Simmons again.

 

That's what I had in mind.

 

I suspect Morey would much rather get fired than take what he sees as a bad return in a Simmons deal.

If he gets fired he gets to keep his $50 million contract and go get a new job; so the joke is on the 6ers owners.

 

This is what Sixers look like without Simmons. 2020 Playoffs:

 

So is your point he's a superstar as good or better than many other Allstars? Thus the 6ers will never trade Simmons for a"lesser" player such as CJ? Or even call his bluff to hold out the the entire year?

 

76ers asked 3 1sts and three pick swaps for the CJ-Simmons trade. Blazers rejected it.

 

Yeah, you can't do that....for so many reasons. If things go bad for a team (i.e injuries) and your season hits rock bottom, you need those
draft picks. The fans need them too so there is something to look forward to.

 

The bad news is that the Morey’s demanded return for Simmons seems to be getting more ludicrous by the day. The good news is that he would accept a trade package centered around CJ, although this particular one is not realistic. Perhaps when their backs are further against the wall and the 6ers get off to a slow start they’ll revisit this trade with a more reasonable mind frame.