AROUND THE NBA THREAD. OCT 2021 edition

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    that's not true, in his 2nd season he averaged about 11 points on good shooting the last 2 months before the Covid suspension; and averaged 17 points on 50% three point shooting in the bubble. Nobody was willing to give up on him at that time. After his first season, sure...but Simons just completed his 3rd season and has been consistently in the rotation for 2 years

    I think it was more that people, including myself, were saying that if Zach got an offer from some team for much more than the minimum, let that other team take the risk. Don't throw good money after bad. And he didn't really get a good contract; he's a 10th pick who only got 10.7M guaranteed on a 3 year deal. Which is about what Festus Ezeli got from Portland, and we know how that worked out
     
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    the max i would go for Simons given his production and supposed potential is ~8 mil/yr for 3 yrs. Give him a player option to get out before year 3 to incentivize his growth. Outside of 3pt shooting, he's been replacement level or worse at every other skill. And he plays a position where we are loaded. The appeal of Ant remains to be unrealized potential.
     
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    jeez, they're gonna have close to 20 mil in just dead salary this year.
     
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    it couldn't have been more obvious...the point was responding to a post that directly used the Bridges contract as a gauge for a potential Simons extension. Apples to apples
     
  6. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    at the start of 2nd season, people were bitching about his production, and it wasn't until the bubble that he really showed anything to get excited about.
     
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    Bring back Chief!
     
  8. wizenheimer

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    moving goalposts

    you said: "We're the same fan base that gave up on Trent after his 2nd year"
     
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    Aminu can't even get minutes on lottery teams since we got rid of him - amazing we made it to the WCF with Harkless and Aminu as our starting forwards.
     
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    if you compare the 2018-19 numbers of Aminu & Harkless vs RoCo and Nance last season, they are very close. If either pair has a slight advantage it's Aminu/Harkless
     
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    You might almost think it might of had something to do with the coaching that season huh?
     
  12. julius

    julius Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yeah, I got the year wrong. Totally changes what I was saying.
     
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    The only significant difference is that Simons is more athletic, which I've mentioned in my posts.

    I don't know if "we" did all that. I didn't give up on Trent, though I never wanted to give him a major contract extension and for much the same reason as Crabbe and Simons. The Blazers seem good at finding stand-still three-point shooters who can't defend or do much of anything else well.

    As for Collins, I never had any real opinion on whether he'd get a decent contract. He's a serviceable big but often injured--that kind of player could go either way in terms of hunting for small deals or finding a team that values what he does and believes he'll be healthy for them.
     
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    Hey here is a chance to use the word that everyone uses to sound really knowledgeable.

    Scheme. It was the scheme they were using.
     
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    Its so crazy how many of these contracts are Blazers related.

    Batum signed his deal after spending 7 of 8 years in Portland.
    Whiteside we tried to sign in 2016; then later acquired in a trade.
    Parsons we offered the same deal and thought we would sign him until he got Memphis to offer the same so he could choose them.
    Bazemore we acquired in a trade.

    Then of course Crabbe, Meyers, Harkless and Turner we signed. We eventually traded all of them away as mistakes.

    Neil ended up highly involved with about half of the epically shitty 2016 free agent contracts. I always thought he should be fired for that 2016 offseason... I just can't believe how it is even worse every time you look at it.
     
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    "Oh sorry, that is wrong. The correct answer is.....Dame."
     
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    What if we win 50 games this season? New Coach or Dame? 1 or the other right?
     
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    It has VERY little to do with the Regular season. I'm guessing you know that but maybe the lawnmower noise prevented comprehension. This team should make the Playoffs for the 9th year in a row....big freakin deal. How about we not lose in the 1st round, ( a rare feat) or if we do advance, play like we didn't fluke our way to the next round and get run out of the building like we had no business being there.

    Dame is a tremendous talent with some weaknesses....that is what it is. He is one of the Top-10 players in the league. But what else from a team standpoint? Dame can will wins in the Reg season and once in a while, the same in the Playoffs. But this franchise needs more from the rest of the players AND more from the coach.

    Now go empty the catch basket onto the flower bed for good mulch.
     
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    Just going to throw this out there. You do understand the response will be what if we win 50 games and lose in the first round again. Dame or Coach?
    It can even go further and say what happens if they get swept out? Dame or Coach.

    Be careful. Tough to argue this conversation until we know what we truly have here.
     

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