OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Sure. The virus is going to be around from here on out. They have found that it’s now commonly found in white tail deer and likely other mammals. Even if we clean it out of the human population in a given area for awhile, it will ultimately be brought back in from other areas where it’s active or through interaction with infected wildlife. The question is, since you’re almost certain to get it, would you rather deal with it having an immune system that recognizes it and can quickly build antibodies to fight it, or with an immune system that’s never seen it before? In your case, given that you got pretty sick even though you were fully vaccinated, I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that you owe your life to the vaccines.

 

im not advocating one over the other, other than to say that one can avoid it, im more and more believing to be false.

In my case i didn’t get really sick. Felt like a good head cold only and then the other symptoms that just haven't gone away.

I see both sides opinions on this.

For me? Im glad i was vaccinated prior to gdtting it. Might have been worse, no doubt. But based on the numbers of people who are asymptomatic, who really knows for sure?

i dont think anyone really does and were basing educated guesses based on incomplete information.

Thats all, so anything who is opposed to getting the vax, im not gonna ridicule them or anything.

The beauty of this country is everyone can feel how aNd believe what they want.

Who am i to tell someone else what is right or wrong for them?

 

Well if you’re right and they are wrong they need to know. Maybe 1/100 actually listens and learns. And when it’s fact vs fiction or right vs wrong, who cares what the fiction/wrong crowd think. There are “differences of opinion” where there may very well be no right or wrong, just different. That’s great. Sometimes it’s like ‘no dumbass you are just wrong and stupid”.

 

everything ive seen says nothing is conclusive. Numbers may trend one way or another but nothing conclusive. As evidenced by the mutations we have seen.
So to me, its not factual. The trend may be factual but the narrative some push is not.

This is kind of like saying the sun is good for us.
Which is true for most But for some its not. And who am i to tell them the sun is good for them as some universal blanket answer?


It is a fact that some have had adverse reactions to the vaxxine. It doesn't matter how little of a percent. Its a percent and its a fact. So for them, it was likely a bad move. So who am i to determine its a fact that someone will or will not have a bad reaction or be saved?
Yea, numbers say its low but who am i to tell another to play the good odds? If the odds are not 100%, which its a fact it isn't, who am i to tell someone else what to do?

There are some here who seem to get off telling others what to think and do, all the time. I wouldn’t expect them to understand what im saying…

 

Exactly. There is literally nothing conclusive regarding this disease or the treatments for it. Yet all the people who take it upon themselves to degrade others can only do so after they have twisted the argument into absolutes.

 

So you agree that it does work for adults then, hey we’ve made progress!

Yeah but you can’t own the pointy head libs that way now can you?

 

However, avoiding dying from covid-19 is incredibly logical.

 

Then start with links that I'll find unacceptable and we can go from there. I'm just curious to see what's made you so confident that children are safer getting covid than they are getting vaccinated.

 

The sun is good for us is not a scientific statement.
Vaccines are safe and effective is. Research backs it up.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Nothing in medicine is. I know three women who got pregnant while using birth control pills. Pill is more than 99% effective but out of hundreds of millions of users some are unlucky. It is vastly more effective than hoping for the best.
Vaccines are not 100% risk free. Nothing in medicine, or life, is. People have died from aspirin. But vaccines are vastly less risky than polio, smallpox, measles, diphtheria, pertussis, influenza, and Covid.

 

The sun provides vitamin D which is good for us. Not scientifically proven?

hmm this article here from yale says vitamin d is needed for humans and that we can get it from the sun.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vitamin-d-myths-debunked

“First, some facts: Your body needs vitamin D. Its main job is to help the body absorb calcium from the intestines. This calcium is necessary to help “mineralize the skeleton” over the course of your lifetime and is a critical mineral for forming the hardened bone that keeps you strong and healthy.”

“When exposed to the sun, your skin can manufacture its own vitamin D. “We each have vitamin D receptor cells that, through a chain of reactions starting with conversion of cholesterol in the skin, produce vitamin D3 when they’re exposed to ultraviolet B (UVB) from the sun,” says Yale Medicine dermatologist David J. Leffell, MD, chief of Dermatologic Surgery. “

So how is it not a “scientific” statement saying the Sun is good for most?

are you trying to refute the yale article above? If not, im not sure of the point you are trying to make here….

…Other than you just agreed with me that vaccines are not 100% effective.
And for most people to take it, may be the best thing. However for some, facts have proven it has not been.

So how could i possibly ridicule or force, or make fun of anyone to do something that has a potential risk… however slight?

Its no more my right to tell a person they have to get the vaccine than it is to tell a pregnant woman, she cant have an abortion.

 

Life on earth depends on the sun. That is provable fact. Good for you is a vague statement, not something science deals with. Mercury is bare rock because it is close to sun.
Hey, I made my living as medical writer and editor, makes me picky about language.

 

A study by Kaiser Family Foundation showed people whose primary news source is Fox are more likely to believe misinformation about pandemic and vaccine than those whose primary news source is local news or other national networks.

 

A pregnant woman getting an abortion doesn't cause other people to die. Forcing pregnant women to carry a pregnancy to term has always resulted in increased violence and crime rates, and has always negatively impacted the economy. Basically, there is no benefit. All down side. Allowing women to make the choice is basically all up side.

Not getting vaccinated can kill millions. Getting vaccinated has no negative impact on society. Quite the opposite.

There is a huge difference between the two.

 

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

 

Exactly. You can get the virus but have mild or no symptoms. Instead of, you know, dying.