Politics Serious Question

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  1. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    For over five years now we have heard the slogan “Make America Great Again”. Yet not since the Civil War has this country been so divided and at each other’s throats. So……….serious question: When was the “Great America” the Right is trying to get back to, and what exactly made it so “great”? What exactly is it that is keeping us from being “great” again? Seems like the only people pushing the “great America” myth are those with white skin. I genuinely want to know what the “greatness” involved and what “happened” to it.
     
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    It was great when Black people had no civil rights, when Latinx people did not speak Spanish in public, when abortion was illegal, when gays and lesbians stayed in the closet, and when there were only white men in positions of power.
     
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    All this. And women stayed home to cook and clean I might add.
     
  4. Orion Bailey

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    Bullshit. For many of us who bought in the first time, it had nothing to do with social status’s. It had to do with cleaning the swamp of all the corruption in politics.

    making america great again, to many of us, meant making our politicians honest and held accountable. Nothing more and certainly wasnt defining any sexist or racist thoughts or movements…


    But hey labels work great in todays world so lets just go with anyone who wanted to make it great is just a sexist bigot….

    wtf ever…
     
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  5. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They are talking about the 50's when Black people were still segregated and women were still obedient.
     
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    again bullshit and not even close for many of us who bought in the first time.
     
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    Cleaning corruption? I am not sanguine about politicians but was there ever a US president more corrupt than Trump? He made millions off the presidency as did his entire family.
     
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    okay but how would anyone know that until after he was elected?


    Again.. the votes came in based on the sentiment. Not the results….
     
  9. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Even if it did start that way for some, we both know what it has become.
     
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    He had decades of evidence of being a complete slime ball and screwing people.
     
  11. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Maybe by watching him speak during his rallies or at the debates. Looking at his actions and words. It was all there.

    I get the sentiment of wanting someone who could root out corruption and change things, I really do. That appeals to me too. But, Trump?
     
  12. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    C’mon OB. We’re human beings, with all that that entails. We are emotionally driven (for the most part) in everything we do. Sentiment is an emotion. It is the rare individual who can remain dispassionate or clinical about anything. And Trump has been an unfortunate figure in the American consciousness since the ‘70’s. Anyone who didn’t see his greed, dishonesty, venality and egotism over the past forty years is either frighteningly stupid or utterly oblivious…….so yeah, where that pile of dung is concerned, I am driven by emotions…….along with basic intelligence and social awareness.
     
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    sure. But the premise of the question was based on what the voters felt making america great again meant.

    I think my answer covers a decent percentage of republican voters and most all who voted for him the first time but not tue second.


    The guy lost the last election. Isn't president regardless of what he says.

    Some people are giving him way too much energy.

    Instead of focusing on him focus on how to ensure he doesnt win if he runs.

    The best way to do that is to make sure either Biden does a great job or he steps down and the dems put up a better figurehead to run.


    The obsession with what the other party does wrong is our whole issue as a country.
    Focus more on what you believe in aNd finding politicians who believe the same and support them.

    All this energy spent on trump is stunting the growth of anti trumpers.
     
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    agreed to an extent but we have let emotions surpass facts and to an extent even, common sense.
    We, as a people. Need to check thar and get back to the facts of things and make decisions based off of them and then move on.

    ill add that other than his tv show, i knew little about trump other than he owned real estate and a casino.. until he tossed his hat in the political ring and his speeches were about cleaning the swamp. Not putting women back in the kit hen. He said many times cleaning the swamp meant getting corruption out of the government.
    So because you may have known about him since the 70’s doesnt mean most people knew anything more about him than the tabloid headlines.
     
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    okay? So convictions? Or is this another opinion peice?
     
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    He got a lot more votes the 2nd time
     
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    he did? But yet lost? I didnt look at the numbers just final percents.
     
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    We live in a world where facts are just called fake news now and don't matter
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yes

    2016 - 62,984,828

    2020 - 74,222,958


    But, a hell of a lot more democrats voted who did not in the first election. Thus his loss

    Hillary 2016 - 65,853,514

    Biden 2020 - 81,283,098
     
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    By both sides though. I see fake news from the left too. Alot of it.
     

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