OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. riverman

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    There are companies developing these vaccines all over the world that have no connection to any western corporate titan....Taiwan developed it's own vaccines which took longer but came to the same conclusions that other developers came to .....I don't buy the conspiracy theory angle to this pandemic...sure the companies profit during a pandemic...firemen profit during fire season...arms dealers profit during war....that's capitalism..but the public for the most part is offered free vaccinations...have any of you paid for the shot? Mine have all been free.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Again, anyone can post on VEARS. Anyone can claim a death was caused by VEARS. I can claim you are dead from the vaccine on VEARS. Are you?
     
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  3. riverman

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    it's a fact though...I was at the VA with vets in a group all waiting together to get our boosters and half of those guys looked like they might not make it through the winter before they got their shots...this is one of the intangibles about all these numbers people spout in defense of their positions. A lot of people who died were diabetic as well. Deaths were also early on covered up in nursing homes to keep their doors open as "natural" deaths when they were actually covid deaths....Nebraska had a mess with that and there are a lot of old folks homes in Nebraska. Because of pure stubborness this shit is still with us....should have capped off a year and a half ago if people didn't deny it and fight over safety measures.
     
  4. SlyPokerDog

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    https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp
     
  5. MARIS61

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    Did you even read the 100% full liability waiver you were required to sign in order to be a test subject? Apparently not or you would not have signed it. Because no real actually approved vaccine needs a waiver because they have been tested and verified to be safe for most patients. mRNA has never had a successful test in over a decade of studies. It has not been shown to have any positive effect on protection, immunity, severity or spread. It appears to have done the opposite. Created variants, directly infected those who got the shots, causing more spread, and worst of all prevented shotgetters from achieving natural immunity, probably forever.
     
  6. SlyPokerDog

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    So much just wrong and crazy information in your post.

    Covid-19: Studies Indicate Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine Protects Against the Most Severe Outcomes of Some Virus Variants

    The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is incredibly effective against severe disease caused by two variants, studies say.


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    Credit...Allison Zaucha for The New York Times
    The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine is extraordinarily effective at protecting against severe disease caused by two dangerous variants, according to two studies published Wednesday.

    The studies, which are based on the real-world use of the vaccine in Qatar and Israel, suggest that the vaccine can prevent the worst outcomes — including severe pneumonia and death — caused by B.1.1.7, the variant first identified in the U.K., and B.1.351, the variant first identified in South Africa.

    “This is really good news,” said Dr. Annelies Wilder-Smith, an infectious disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “At this point in time, we can confidently say that we can use this vaccine, even in the presence of circulating variants of concern.”

    Previous research suggested that B.1.1.7 is more infectious and more deadly than other variants but that vaccines still worked well against it. On the other hand, vaccines appeared to be less effective against B.1.351, according to earlier studies.

    One of the new studies, which appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, is based on information about more than 200,000 people that was pulled from Qatar’s national Covid-19 databases between Feb. 1 and March 31.

    In multiple analyses, the researchers found that the vaccine was 87 to 89.5 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.1.7 among people who were at least two weeks past their second shot. It was 72.1 to 75 percent effective at preventing infection with B.1.351 among those who had reached the two-week point.

    The vaccine was highly effective at protecting against the worst outcomes. Overall, it was 97.4 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease from any form of the coronavirus, and 100 percent effective at preventing severe, critical or fatal disease caused by B.1.1.7 or B.1.351.

    The second new study, which was published in The Lancet, was conducted by researchers at Pfizer and at Israel’s Ministry of Health. It is based on more than 230,000 instances of coronavirus infection that occurred in Israel between Jan. 24 and April 3. During that period, B.1.1.7 accounted for nearly 95 percent of all coronavirus cases in the country, which has vaccinated more than half of its population.

    The researchers found that the vaccine was more than 95 percent effective at protecting against coronavirus infection, hospitalization and death among fully vaccinated people 16 and older. It also worked well in older adults. Among those 85 or older, the vaccine was more than 94 percent effective at preventing infection, hospitalization and death.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/05/05/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases
     
  7. riverman

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    yes...same disclaimers are on all my heart meds too and the ibuprofin in the cupboard....I've signed those waivers all three times my life has been saved by doctors....I'll bet you never signed a waiver when you took LSD or injested countless food items traveling....you thought that was beef but really it was a rodent...I'm pretty sure I had covid in Dec 2019 and didn't know what it was as did my wife...my doctor said it's highly possible so I'm probably covered as far as safety ....we're all test subjects....essentially crash test dummies everytime we drive on public roads. I've handled enough toxic crap in my younger days to mutate myself down to the bone structure.....used to spray red lead paint in the engine room of the ship I was on in the navy and cleaned my hands from oil paint with paint thinner which also goes to your liver....essentially we're cockroaches...hell Keith Richards is 80.....so much for risk eh
     
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    If vaccine is so terrible why did Trump get it?
     
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  9. SlyPokerDog

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    He doesn't want to die.
     
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    It's not like posting a comment on a website. You're not incentivised by $$$ to make false claims like hospitals are.
     
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    But but but, doesn't vaccine kill you? Why not take horse dewormer and eat mud????
     
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    Having covid is not the question doggy. The leading cause of death is. Please keep up.
     
  14. SlyPokerDog

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    The most-vaccinated big counties in America are beating the worst of the coronavirus

    Much has been written about the yawning gap in outcomes between less-vaccinated and more-vaccinated areas, especially as deaths in less-vaccinated, red states significantly and increasingly outpace more-vaccinated, blue states. The Washington Post’s Philip Bump also reported this week that deaths in red counties are more than 50 percent higher than in blue counties.



    But even that might undersell just how beneficial vaccination is in preventing the worst that the coronavirus has to offer — particularly when adopted on a grand scale in a given area.

    From the start of the vaccination effort, a pertinent question has been when we might achieve something amounting to “herd immunity,” i.e. having enough people vaccinated to stomp out the virus. Guesstimates often pegged that number at 70 percent or above. That concept has proven elusive, particularly as the delta variant has rendered the vaccines less effective at preventing the spread — while still extremely effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths.

    But those latter metrics remain hugely important. And in the densely populated areas in which we’ve approached overwhelming adoption of the vaccines, the death rates are often a fraction of the national average — a significantly greater gap than between the most-vaccinated and least-vaccinated states.



    Perhaps the most highly vaccinated large county in America, according to New York Times data, is Montgomery County, Md., just outside the District of Columbia. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show 93 percent of those 12 and older there are fully vaccinated, compared to around 70 percent nationally. The number dying over the past week is eight times as high nationally — 3.4 per 1 million — as it is in Montgomery County — 0.4 per 1 million — even as Montgomery County is near some virus hotspots.

    The relative rate is similar in two of the handful of other most-vaccinated large counties in the country: Dane County, Wis. (home to Madison), where 86 percent of people 12 and older are fully vaccinated, per the CDC, and San Francisco, where 84 percent are vaccinated. Dane County also has 0.4 deaths per 1 million despite being in one of the most hard-hit regions, the Midwest.


    Slightly fewer people 12 and over are vaccinated in New York City, though still north of 80 percent. Over the past week, it has registered a per-capita death rate about one-third the national average.



    Similar to New York City are Multnomah County, Ore. (home to Portland), with its 84 percent full vaccination rate; Alameda County, Calif. (home to Oakland) at 84 percent; and Santa Clara County, Calif. (home to San Jose) at 81 percent. In each case, there is about 1 death per 1 million people, compared to 3-per-1-million at the national level (as well as more than 3 deaths per million statewide in Oregon and more than 2 per million in California).

    There are some larger, highly vaccinated counties with rates that are comparable to the national average. These come particularly in the Denver area — Denver itself (79 percent fully vaccinated, 3 deaths per 1 million) and Boulder County (79 percent vaccinated, 2 deaths per 1 million) — and in Minneapolis-based Hennepin County (78 percent vaccinated, 3 deaths per 1 million).

    But they also come in slightly less-vaccinated counties than the above and in states that are significantly more hard-hit than the rest of the broader country right now. These counties’ per capita death rates are also still about half or less compared to the rest of their states (more than 6 deaths per million in Colorado and 7 deaths per million in Minnesota).

    So while the most-vaccinated states are significantly, incontrovertibly and increasingly better off than the less-vaccinated states, the difference is even starker at the county and city level — and even as many of these highly vaccinated counties also happen to be the most densely populated.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...pc_uImdxSf-BHoRNI23suppdnKXpuwQw1vEZ0Zn_VCpXY
     
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    I wish we could flag posts like Maris61's as "disputed by unbiased fact checker" or something...
     
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    Source please?
     
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    Not at all. All of those people would have died regardless of the vaccine.

    There is no evidence those people died from the vaccine.

    There is also no evidence of increased death rates among the vaccinated.
     
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    Nothing is free.

    Every penny spent on the PANICdemic comes from our (the taxpayers) pockets. Or more accurately, the pockets of our Great Grandchildren. It's the world's largest-ever wealth transfer, a murderous conspiracy of epic proportions, and it's not going to end well.
     

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