as i was saying... revisionist history. Marc being anything more than an afterthought in that trade is just a lie.
I never said I was an expert on him or that I knew he'd be great. I said I knew who he was despite not following international basketball, so this idea that "no one knew who he was" was nonsense--and you knew it was nonsense when you typed it if you really were as plugged into international basketball as you just said.
this is a really strange hill to die on. I mean... Nas/Ant/Brown are all not far removed from being top 10 prospects in their HS ranks. To continually argue that a 24 yr old overweight C with questionable mobility is a better prospect with more trade value is just weird. That trade is universally regarded as one of the most lopsided in the history of the league.
It was considered that way at the time, when people acted like the Lakers gave up nothing for Pau Gasol. It's not considered that way anymore. And I still think, based on what the Grizzlies said about Marc Gasol in the aftermath of the trade, that they don't do the deal without Marc included. So, as I said, I don't think there's a player the caliber of Pau Gasol then that Portland could get today where Little/Simons/Brown would be the crucial factor.
Right, you said many teams didn't value him. I think we have many players that many teams would value enough to pick in the first round if they were available. Nobody valued Marc Gasol that highly. Not even Memphis. So while I appreciate the feedback, I feel like my point stands. Marc Gasol wasn't much if at all more highly valued around the league when traded to the Grizzlies than guys we could offer. *edited. Sorry, the Gasol brothers are confusing me*
The knock I remember on rookie Marc Gasol is that he wasn't in NBA shape....he was fat.....the trade worked out but I don't remember any rookie buzz about him coming into the league like his older brother had....he flourished in Memphis and that's where he got in game shape....kudos to him for turning it into a great career...at the time the whole league thought the Lakers got gifted Pau Gasol ...although Memphis came out of it OK in the end..the Lakers came out of it with championships
Please, PLEASE find something other than “this hill to die on”. its becoming one of the most over used cliches ive ever seen. But ive only see it on this forum… I cringe every time i read it. No one is wanting to die and where is the hill even?
It's a popular saying, and used fairly regularly. https://grammarist.com/idiom/the-hill-you-want-to-die-on/
True. There are many sayings from the ol' days that are still around. I think as time goes by, more and more of these phrases will go by the wayside. There still are a lot of middle aged to senior ,Baby Boomers, in here . At 57, i come in at the end of that. But i still use many of the phrases today.
Seriously? Is being against saying "the hill you want to die on" going to be the hill you want to die on? Alright then.
Now now, are you willing to die on the hill for dying on the hill of his disdain towards the term dying in the hill?
Don't forget that he grew up in Memphis (went to High School there), so they very probably had a much better handle on his abilities than any other front office. Also: Gasol was drafted in 2007, traded in early 2008. In the meantime he had an MVP-of-the-Spanish League season. MAYbe his stock went up a little bit after he was drafted? ALSO: in 2008 he was no longer super-pudgy:
Anyone that ever went through combat basic training (and more, obviously) will understand the meaning. It has been many years since I have done it - but I suspect the same techniques are still used today - so until all wars are fought by robots - I suspect this saying will still be relevant to many people.
Your lack of imagination and memory is astounding. Of course we can rebuild a contender around Dame. The only GM we've ever had with Dame has been one that was hellbent on the idea that he and CJ were the duo to build a championship team around, without that hindering the team building process we have years to get there if we start the rebuild in a bold way right now. As far as your memory is concerned... Kobe was three years older than Dame when he blew out his Achilles, unlike abdominal tendon tears that take 6-8 weeks to recover from if you opt for surgery Achilles tears... especially ruptures can take anywhere from a year and a half to never recovering from them. Kobe at 34 had also been playing a full NBA schedule plus deep into the playoffs for 16 seasons at that point. So yeah Kobe's 18th and 19th seasons in the league looked pretty bad. Dame isn't dealing with ruptured Achilles and he's in 10th season. Kobe won both of his MVPs after turning 30. I'm not the one that started the Kobe v Dame comparison, you did but if your going to make a bad comparison at least bring into consideration that your comparison makes it look like Dame is just now starting the second half of his career.
I think Dame has psychic powers, he felt that CJ would get wounded this year and he needs a good shooter with a mc prefix on his last name to excel. Once Ben Mclemore started to emerge - we are starting to see Dame getting back in shape. So, clearly the way to build around Dame is to scour the Scottish highlands for unsigned good shooters - a mcgregor, macloud, macalester - any will do.
And if we could get so deep as to sign a Macmelon, Mcloof and Mcormick for vet mins?? instant highlander contender!!!!
