Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Ya but just think how many LESS school shootings there would be with NO FUCKING GUNS BROUGHT TO SCHOOL! Imagine that.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Not possible. I'm sorry, there is just no scenario in which guns at school are removed as a possibility. And again, kids in the US are 20x more likely to be killed by their parents than by a gun at school... so it's already pretty darn rare.
     
  3. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Merely your opinions

    But, yes this is one line of defense and an important one.

    There are avenues to fixing the problem and I have discussed many of them. This is one of them.
     
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  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I shared one with example....there are many others.

    Or the permitted kid gets shot and and the shooters have yet another gun and more ammo to further kill students with.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Nah, I'm not deflecting...that's what Republicans do. I'm noting one part of what can help in the bigger picture. Holding parents responsible will help among other things to curve the numbers.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Their parents WITH A GUN.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I don't think lack of guns and ammo is a problem we've run into.

    And in every other situation you can point out, the argument can be made that an armed person could have ended it sooner, thereby saving more lives.

    Simply saying, for every positive there is a negative and vise versa with gun control. Legitimately.

    It's not as cut and dry as so many other issues that we could be focusing on, which have been proven to be so much more effective.

    Just feels like chopping off our noses to spite our face.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Bam!
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    No, typically not with a gun.
     
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    I don't think so. It's not really enforceable without giving up so many other rights that it's not worth it.

    If your 17 year old wants in your gun safe he's going to figure it out.

    We've seen school shootings where exactly that happened. And others where it could have easily happened. Many times the parents are among the victims.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They also could have made the situation worse running in guns blazing trying to take out the shooter. That's why police don't do that at schools immediately.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Giving up rights? Parents are responsible for their kids. If their kids take their guns to school they should be held responsible. Such as the Wisconsin shooting.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Tektronix would not allow us to bring guns to work nor even keep them in the trunk of our car in the parking lot. That company was known for it's brilliance. Draw your own conclusions.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Preventing bullying would prevent a lot of problems.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I believe the Wisconsin parents are being held responsible, are they not? If not, then yes I agree they should be.

    But I don't think we need any more laws on the books to hold them accountable.
     
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    You are trained not to do that in order to get a concealed carry permit.
     
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    Doesn't mean a kid isn't going to do it anyway
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    And kids are so good at following rules.
     
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    calvin natt Confeve

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    You can’t be serious
     
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    Well, the ones who jump through the hoops required to get a concealed carry permit would almost certainly be better at it than average. And their training would ve VERY current.

    That's certainly the case for adults, as concealed carry holders are the demographic with the lowest crime rates.
     

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