Tank 2022

It's not short-sighted, it and hoping for further development for Ant is all we got.

It's not obvious that you hated the trade more than me - if you want to look at my last 50 posts, I have plenty of "rant-cred", lol.

It's also not obvious that we're keeping the pick instead of trading it. Either way, a better pick is better.

 

We're just trying to be bad for one year, while Lillard is injured, I haven't seen any tankers talking about rebuild.

 

Again, I don't think any tankers have been advocating giving away assets; all of us are enraged about the latest trade. We are advocating trading guys who we would lose anyway (Roco) or don't really fit (CJ, Powell?) and then use these assets to help in a trade for guys who can balance the roster and who have more fight in them. At least that's what I want. Tanking to get a better draft pick or at least to retain our pick this year gives us another tradable asset, unless we luck out and get a draft pick that can be productive right away.

 

Or he becomes even more lethal and his value remains high. More to come?

 

If Cronin keeps making trades like the first one, it's not too late!

 

You and I are in agreement until about halfway through your post.

Most of us seem to be in agreement that the trade didn't bring back the assets we were expecting. We didn't use these assets in the way you or I or most of the forum seems to think was prudent.

We weren't in a position to lose our first-round draft choice, though. We're talking about giving away quality assets for nothing in the hopes that we either can a) move from the 10th pick to the 6th pick and/or b) get lucky with the lottery and get the No. 1 overall pick in a draft where there is one guy who really seems to have a decent chance to be a difference-maker in the NBA.

That doesn't seem like a good way to tank. That seems like a good way to completely scuttle your team, IMO.

 

I'm fine in theory with giving a shot to build around Dame and see if we can contend. Heck maybe the plan even changes in 3 years and Dame stays with the next change in direction of the team, ultimately retiring here.

Having some of the best 5th and 6th rotational players in Roco/Norm/Nance of the last decade along with youth in Simons/NAS was a good way of possibly building a contender this season around Dame. When we saw the 3 guard starting lineup didn't work we just needed one trade to move a guard for a forward and this team could've had a chance to contend in the next few years.

But now trading two starters for 3 scrubs has removed that possibility. We lost assets to win with Dame and have no way to replace them. So what is the point the next 3 years of building a win now roster around Dame that has zero chance to contend?

The team is now in a complete rebuild.

 

we've gone down the chet road one too many times. If we go after him i might find a new team until management figures out tall skinny draft picks snap here.

im fine holding out until the offseason to reserve judgement, but cj better be gone at the minimum to keep my interest intact.

 

Yes we HAD avenues. Those were mostly lost when we traded 2 starters for 3 scrubs.

I don't think tanking is a great strategy for years on end in a vacuum. But the current strategy Joe Cronin is doing is even worse.

Tanking can be good for a part of a season, such as when a top75 player is injured. That's how the Spurs got Duncan. They didn't plan the year to tank, it sort of just ended up happening, and then they got lucky in the lottery.

But having a full season of planning to loose or multiple seasons is a bad strategy. I think we are agreeing on 95% of things here.

 

I think your first sentence is hyperbolic.

Also, I'm not in competition with you to see who can be the more hyperbolic. I don't keep track of your posting history.

Finally, your last sentence isn't necessarily true. I've explained the whys and wherefores of that several times already.

 

Father time is undefeated. Dude may still ball out for another year or two. But he will not be able to bring back as much of a haul when he is 35 or 36.

 

So if we were to trade him now, what kind of package (player names) and assets would you want?

 

The Spurs with Duncan isn't really a good example, though, is it? First, Tim Duncan isn't in this year's draft. Second, the Spurs didn't deplete their resources to make it easier to draft Tim Duncan; they brought back most of their other good players and paired them with a healthy Robinson and Duncan.

We are in agreement, I think, on pretty much everything else.

 

In terms of impact player a Jaylen Brown type would probably be ideal, but you have to wonder is Brown is even too old for where a rebuilding Blazers roster would be at?

The Thunder got 4 first round picks and SGA for Paul George, maybe that is the type of trade. Then build around Ant plus a 2022 lottery pick and likely 2023, 2024, etc lottery picks.

 

Maybe. I don't think the move we made last week is a move made by someone trying to go in that direction, though.

 

Even if we get a top pick, what are the chances we move it? Probably like 75-80% right?

 

I'm not sure. Jaylen Brown, Ben Simmons + Tyrese Maxey, Zach Lavine.

Boatload of picks from those teams too.

You will never get an equal trade for a superstar, but he is aging and we are not set up to compete in his timeline. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Just unlikely.