Politics I am outraged

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  1. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    Florida Republicans
     
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    So, let's just say I need to be uncomfortable. Is it then a simple matter of having CRT taught in every school, and every book known to man on the matter in our school libraries? Does that then make everything OK?

    As I had mentioned earlier, there are many other views. Citing Florida Republicans is just a platitude of sorts.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/educati...false-flag-to-plant-upon-critical-race-theory

    Marxism is the new false flag to plant upon critical race theory
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Markxism, how did that get in here?
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    crandc just wants me to look/feel/be uncomfortable.
     
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    Neither Marxism nor critical race theory are being taught in public schools. But the right has labeled any teaching about racial issues critical race theory.
    The proposed law includes schools and diversity programs in private business. Any parent, student or employee who feels uncomfortable can block teaching and she for damages.
    I am outraged that history has to be made comfortable. History isn't a fairy tale. People did not live happily ever after.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    CRT is not being taught in any public school. History is and that history should make you uncomfortable. It is the least we can do as white men, to feel uncomfortable about the atrocities that occured in our countries past at the hands of other white men and against black people.

    We should feel uncomfortable that black people were kept as slaves, treated as sub human, beaten, murdered, chased by white men in masks, hung, dragged behind trucks, made to live in different parts of town, go to different schools, hospitals, stores, drink from different fountains.

    Those are the subjects of books in our schools libraries that you want to remove. Books I would be glad to have there for my son to read and come to me with questions, and I would gladly sit and share those terrible truths with him.
     
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    By the way, ABM, I am not a man. There are a lot of books known to women. I have read quite a few.
     
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    I know what the history is and I'd rather be in the trenches, locking arms with my Black brothers and sisters, than simply being uncomfortable. Some close friends of ours, who happen to be Black, were over at our new home yesterday, and we don't think twice about all of this. Actually, @THE HCP knows them, as well. Sanford, his wife, and a very cool 22-year-old kid they've "adopted. The kid was informing me all about NFT's. Fascinating stuff! They're moving to Nashville from Houston. We're helping them find a home here. Anyway, all that to say, I think a lot of people are getting hung up on some of this....and that there are factions out there making sure we drop our heads and drown ourselves in shame. I say poppycock to all of that.
     
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    Oh, there is a lot more to do than just feel uncomfortable. That's why I said it's the least, but conservatives in states like Florida don't even want to do that.

    Its just as important to teach our kids history as it is to be in the trenches. That is being taken away. History is being erased by not allowing it to be taught or removing books on it from libraries. By giving it other names to monsterize it. You might know it, but many that come after us will not. They will be taught to be ignorant. Soon, history books in red states will be void of any mention of slavery, segregation, or the fight for civil rights.

    And you are upset because you have to feel uncomfortable
     
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    I am reading the updated 1619 Project. I am a well read educated person but I am learning things I never knew. Will document later in correct thread.
    It's not comfortable. Just true.
     
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    Banning factual information from schools is wrong.
    Removing the bans would make it okay.
     
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    That doesn't work unless a relevant example can be used.
    Another one that people often misuse is don't criticize someone's post unless you can tie it into something very recent such as the post you are responding to.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Your education shows in everything you post.
    And I love your desire to respond in the correct thread. This is one I'm perpetually working on.
    Just because something is true doesn't mean it can't be uncomfortable. It could display something a person needs to work on. e.g. I remember when I first saw two men kissing. I felt uncomfortable about but simultaneously knew it was my problem to overcome. Dammit, I'm still working on that one but fully realize it's my problem and not the two men's problem. That's a good start. Another is the lurid thoughts that go through my mind when I see a particularly good looking woman unless she's married or has a boyfriend or girlfriend or wife she's interested in then my interest falls off a cliff. In the event she's available, then I sometimes have thoughts that remind me of the old Rodney Dangerfield comment "If women knew what we thought about them, they'd never stop slapping our faces." When I have those thoughts I know it's true and yet damned uncomfortable since I consider myself to be a good Christian as I define it. Oh good Lord I just wondered off track, one of my faults.
     
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    I don't need to be uncomfortable to do proactive things to help bring unity. Perhaps other do, but I don't.
     
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    The people creating these laws are uncomfortable with history. Their constituents who back it are uncomfortable with history. You support this law. What does that say?
     
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    You tell me. I learned plenty about those many atrocities during my education. It made me mad. Not uncomfortable.
     
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    Reading this post makes me realize how vastly different perspectives people can have. I can unload on almost every single bullet point you made but what's the point?
     
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    So you don't support these laws?
     
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    I don't get caught up in them, no. I support Florida Republicans. I'm gonna be one 50% of the year.
     
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    Of course you do. Without discomfort there's only comfort and why would we ever want to change things that we are comfortable with? The degree of discomfort is what gives us the magnitude of the effort to change that which is uncomfortable to make it ever more comfortable.
     

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