OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    You're so full of crap, John. Stay in Mexico!
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Do you actually get paid to run this place?
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Again, Systemic racism exists. It is ingrained in the very fabric our countries history. When the colonists came over, before the constitution they held black people as slaves. When the constitution was written, it was written for white men. Not for Black people. Not for women. Both of who were subjects, things owned by white men. They had no rights. Blacks were seen as less than white men, as kin to animals.

    It took almost a hundred years to finally free black people and they still weren't really free. They were still seen an unequal. It took years to get the right to vote, to get other rights.

    Still, they were called terrible names, weren't allowed to share the same neighborhoods, schools, stores, fountains. They were still hung, dragged behind trucks, beaten, killed because the color of their skin.

    And despite all the civil rights movements and the progress we have made, it is still there.

    Cops shooting black people as a first resort after pulling them over, prisons overcrowded with black people who got longer sentences then white people for lesser crimes. White people own 90% of America's wealth. Qualified black people getting passed over on jobs for lesser qualified white people. Higher unemployment rates among black people. Homeownership by black people is at an all time low. Black people are far less likely to have good healthcare.

    It exists in politics with gerrymandering and voter restrictions that target black people and black communities in order to disenfranchise them.

    This is systemic racism. It exists. It has been here since the beginning. It is still here. Anyone who tries to deny is either ignorant or a party to it.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Everyone is full of crap. The average person is carrying 5 -10 Ibs of crap in their intestine, some more.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Listen

    Accept that it exists

    Acknowledge it exists

    Call it out when I see it
     
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    He advocated for increased access to healthcare and education.

    He didn't do enough, and I didn't vote for him. But he certainly increased access to healthcare, even if it was only a half measure.
     
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    not after my morning coffee
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    He tried to do more but a Republican ruled Senate and house made it their mission to make sure he got nothing through.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I understand what you're saying. But at least admit it's in the minority. Again, my efforts involve focusing on, and contributing to, causes that are actually making strides to improve situations and foster unity. Just to sit back and say, "SYSTEMIC RACISM EXISTS IN OUR COUNTRY!!", and call it a day means nothing to me. We all have our own spheres, and I keep brining that term up. That's where I apply "Accept that it exists", "Acknowledge that it exists", "Call it out when I see it". This would include any established laws. As it pertains to our children, this begins in our homes does it not? How are you parents in here training your children? Are you making efforts to assimilating them into racially mixed environments? Sports? Clubs? The like? And in doing so, are you promoting love, unity, and teamwork? And then actually talking about it during your teaching moments with them? The list goes on and on and on....generation to generation. THAT begets real change.
     
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    I feel like the part you are overlooking is systemic means system. It's built into the system and has to do with the power structure of our country and laws. It's not about how you specifically treat your neighbors.
     
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    No. It is ingrained in the core of our nations history. It exists in every town and city in every state. Nothing minority about it, except that it is minorities who it is happening to.

    Accepting and acknowledging it exists is only one part of the solution....the first part. To act is the next. To engage. Listen to what the black community has to say work with them. Call out racism in all it's forms when you see, every time you see it because it isn't ok and can never be ok.

    Certain people are trying to sweep it under the rug with these new laws to outlaw teaching history in schools. To outlaw teaching that racism has and does exist.

    I don't train my son. I teach him. I impart on him what white privilege and racism are. That it exists. As he gets older I will relate the true history of country to him. I have and will continue to teach him critical thinking. And, he will take it all as he will.
     
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    Here’s a fine example of systemic racism from this morning’s “paper”. Yet the willfully clueless denies that there is any kind of a pattern to it……
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...s-outrage-black-teen-cuffed-white-t-rcna16459
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I do understand. Where are you seeing that manifesting itself in your own community? Moreover, as I had mentioned, we had a Black President for 8 years. I'm not so certain this was his top priority. I could be wrong.
     
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    Perfect. That's exactly why I financially support organizations such as the Woodson Center. For whatever reason(s), that seems to get pooh-poohed in here.

    https://woodsoncenter.org/
     
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    You can't truly act until you have truly acknowledged

    Charity is great. Woodson Center has a great mission statement, but behind it is the same fallacy you bring here. A claim to stand against racism without the acceptance or acknowledgement that systemic racism exists, and in some measure actual denial that it exists.

    This is why that organization is getting pooh poohed on here. I am sure people are glad to see some families getting the help they need. To see some community empowerment or at least the promise of it, but without acknowledging the bigger picture, it is mostly an empty gesture.
     
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    To name a few, policing and minorities being shot or beat up and given unfair sentencing in comparison to non minorities. One very obvious thing for me is the black "thug" like legal gun owners who are shot by police and receive zero support from the gun rights community. Voter supression laws, gerrymandering, red lining and gentrification, and funding for public schools. There are also issues with the accumlation of generational wealth built on the backs of slaves and segregation era labor practices, which were literally one or two generations ago.

    One black President does not mean that we are over all this, also I think you are giving the President too much credit for their ability to do anything meaningful.
     
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    I acknowledge that it exists, but on a much smaller scale than the left wants us to believe. I bring up Conservative Blacks. I believe most of them have figured out that this so-called systemic racism is something that exists on a small scale, and that they look beyond it, and are treated just fine. There are countless examples.
     
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    Uhhm, Obama ran on that notion. Change. Actually, it went beyond racism itself. He was touted as the great emancipator.
     
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    The type of stuff we are talking about took generations to happen and will take generations to unravel. Especially when people like yourself can't even acknowledge it exists and mock him for his contributions. You make it very had to engage with in any meaningful way. I'm not impressed with your tactics of ignoring all meaningful subject manner in a conversation and replying to only the parts where you feel you will get a reaction from. It's exhausting and obviously not worth anyone's time to try to explain otherwise.
     

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