Keeping our pick? This might be a Lottery year

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Make the pick for the Future.....or trade it for 'now'?

  1. One last attempt

  2. Build for the future....one player won't make enough of a difference

  3. Get bad enough to where the pick makes an immediate impact

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  1. JDC

    JDC Well-Known Member

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    You think he goes above one of Chet, Paolo, Ivey and Jabari? Interesting.

    Johnny is tough for me. He's does a lot pretty well but i don't see the standout skill or physical tool. Has a hard time generating easy looks at the college level. I don't think his game scales down super well either with the shaky shooting and passing and just ok physical tools defensively.
     
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  2. TBpup

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    Tremendous scorer with a lot of body control. Seems like CJ a bit in that way in style and that he also doesn't seem very explosive. Okay from the FT line and didn't see any '3's so had to look up his stats. (33%) Also, only a 44% FG shooter. Feels like he could come into the NBA and have a fairly immediate impact, but I wonder what his ceiling is?
     
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    I'm really impressed at his rebounding.tells me a lot about the kinda player he is.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    this is what I was thinking about Steph and his shot selection in college. I think the spacing is gonna be great for him in the nba.
     
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    Steph's sophomore year, he shot 43% from '3' compared to the 33% that Davis is putting up. That would seem like a fairly significant difference. I like how Davis creates space for himself, but with his percentage and efficiency, seems much more like CJ.....which would be a good career.
     
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    ya davis isn't efficient from 3.
     
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    After the first group of players I have these guys as my current wish list. Subject to change...

    Bennedict Mathurin
    Keegan Murray
    Jalen Duren
    Tari Eason
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    case in point.



    makes the game look so easy
     
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    Duren is also young for his class — 16 months younger than Chet.

    Turned 18 three months ago.
     
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    He's got an impressive combination of strength and body control for sure. He also sets up his drives well.
     
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    Doing a bit more digging on Davis' 3pt shot, this looks a lot like a midseason slump . He was closer to 40% earlier in the season, and he's still slightly below 80% from the FT so I don't see this as that big of an issue.

    You prolly watch these dudes a lot more than I ever do in college. You see what I'm seeing in possible BRoy vibes?
     
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    I think he compares very closely to Brandon Roy.
     
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    P&R maestro, and a nasty midrange game. And he's got terrific size as a wing
     
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    CJ is an efficient scorer and a very good three point shooter?
     
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    January 26, 2022: (Top 100) -- French center Ismael Kamagate (No. 32) has quickly emerged as the top international big man prospect in this 2022 class, opening eyes with his Jarrett Allen-like poster dunks and flashes of skill. After seeing Kamagate practice and conducting a film session with him our last time abroad in October, we were able to watch the 6-11, 21-year-old play a France Pro A (first division) game against the top team in the league, Levallois, which also competes in the EuroCup.

    Watching Kamagate go through an individual workout pre-game, it's easy to see the long-term intrigue given his huge hands, massive reach, ability to handle the ball and natural touch, splashing step-back mid-range jumpers with ease. He looks like he's dunking on a Nerf hoop in warmups, which he also translated to live action with a poster dunk in the second half. Kamagate has dunked on several players over several victims this season, and is one of the draft's best finishers, converting 72.4% of his shots at the rim. He's a jet in the open court when he decides to run hard, and in addition to the rim runs and hard rolls, he's also comfortable using touch shots or creating off the bounce in short roll situations.

    As has been the case at times throughout his career, however, Kamagate struggled with early foul trouble against Levallois. He's still very much learning how to defend pick-and-roll effectively and isn't the forceful rim protector that his reach and bounce suggest. Too often lost off the ball and not the most physical defensive rebounder, Kamagate is a couple years away from being able to consistently impact a game defensively at the NBA level, even though he's blocking 2.4 shots per 40 minutes and is relatively quick off the floor for his size.

    With that said, the fact that Kamagate shows more flashes of skill than the majority of run-and-jump style bigs is what makes him the most intriguing international big man in this class. Despite often playing without a true point guard and alongside more traditional bigs, Kamagate has made a handful of eye-opening passes this season, firing overhead skips to the corner out of the short roll, hitting cutters with one-handed passes, or locating weakside shooters off a live dribble out of the post. He's starting to take more mid-range jumpers also, and, although flat, his stroke has potential (70% from the free-throw line). A true late-bloomer who wasn't even considered for youth national teams not too long ago, Kamagate's growth rate is staggering, and his capacity to learn is noteworthy, despite being older than several of the bigs ranked behind him.

    Kamagate might not be a carbon copy of Allen or Clint Capela like his go-go-gadget dunks suggest, but there's a clear archetype for some of the things he does well (see Daniel Gafford, Richaun Holmes) and because he can handle, pass and maybe shoot down the line, it's hard to get a perfect gauge on what exactly his upside might be. I'd expect Kamagate to start picking up more steam among scouting circles, getting real looks toward the end of the first round come June. -- Mike Schmitz
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    ok, i see the morant comps now. still think mitchell is a more apt comp though.



    crazy explosiveness
     
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    Kendall brown seems to have the profile for Billups/Cronin: upside, great athlete, defensive potential- can guard different positions, moves the ball, great in transition. Seems all his weaknesses can be worked on.

     
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    I see Johnny Davis floor as a Josh hart guy with Brandon Roy as his peak. This guy scream a winner to me. He play the game within the flow of his team. He finishes through contact really well. Got some post moves and fadeaway. He’s a solid defender especially off ball. He seem like a really good fit for Billups. I know we don’t want to draft another SG lol. But hopefully we have a second lottery pick to get brown/Eason/duren
     
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    A little.

    Davis should be the better defensive player. Much better lateral athlete. Better rebounder. Can't say i remember Brandon as a sophomore but i don't think Johnny has the same level handle/shiftiness/smoothness roy had. Roy also has a slight size advantage and a clearly better athlete off two feet.

    Both are guys that get to their spots and aren't necessarily quick (I think Johnny a bit quicker to be fair). But I think Roy's handle, high release, ability to stop-start and explode off two feet allowed him to get his shots off easier against NBA size and athleticism. I feel Davis's margins are going to be quite a bit smaller in those in between areas of the game.
     
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