Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. ABM

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    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/2...vetoes-resolution-demanding-troop-withdrawal/

    Russia Vetoes U.N. Resolution Demanding Troop Withdrawal From Ukraine
    China, India, and the United Arab Emirates abstain.

    Russia on Friday vetoed a U.S.-backed U.N. Security Council resolution deploring its invasion of Ukraine, in a sign of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s growing isolation—but three countries abstained in the vote, at least in part to avoid antagonizing Moscow.

    Russia Invades Ukraine
    A major land war looms over Europe.

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    The resolution, which was co-sponsored by 81 countries, secured the support of 11 members of the council, with China, India, and the United Arab Emirates casting abstentions. The United States had to soften the language of the text to forestall the possibility of China casting a second veto, according to two diplomatic sources familiar with the negotiations.

    The original draft demanded that Russia halt its offensive and withdraw its forces from Ukraine under Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter, a legally binding provision that has been traditionally enforced through the imposition of sanctions or the use of force. Beijing indicated during negotiations that it would be easier to accept the adoption of a resolution passed under the less powerful Chapter 6. The United States and other backers of the resolution made the change.

    The United States and its allies also offered more cosmetic changes, for instance, deploring rather than condemning Russia’s aggression against Ukraine. The changes, however, were not sufficient to persuade India and the UAE to vote in favor of the resolution....................
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    So the president of Ukraine supposedly took money for arms that actually made them weaker as a country and that pissed off Putin so much that he's now invading them over it?!?

    Interesting theory.
     
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    You're doing great Johnny; you found my mistype for "Putler"; keep up the good work!
     
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    Russia is going to get expelled from the UN over this conflict. There is already noise that they have an illegitimate seat because it was grandfathered in from the USSR
     
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    Hey look we bumped into a Ukrainian, and you dismissed their perspective also.
     
  6. jonnyboy

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    Sorry for not wanting a world war in your hypothetical scenario. Must be a traitor.
     
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    You don't understand how my hypothetical scenario relates to what is actually happening in Ukraine and how you might feel about it if you were the one being invaded?
     
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    I actually thought you were trying to say “Putin”. Putler is good though, I like it.
     
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    Your one-sentence, extremely oversimplified scenario doesn’t accurately represent what’s happening in Ukraine, dare I say.
     
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    Why not? You can be part of the separatists movement if that makes you feel better about it.
     
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    My son was involved in training Ukrainians as soldiers, it was done here in the PNW.
     
  12. SlyPokerDog

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    Link?
     
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    You’re talking about relatively new country, in terms of countries. There are many people there who are alive and well who predate it’s formation. It’s way different than the elementary comparison you are presenting. And you can stop hinting I’m some sort of traitor secessionist because of my anti-war position, you sound ridiculous and it’s not an accurate portrayal. Did you spit on Muslims after 9/11 also? Of course you didn’t, so stop with this.
     
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    Your the one who feels it's better to negotiate with an invading force for a puppet regime than to fight for your own freedoms. I'm not making any assertions, your words are painting their own pictures.
     
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    He's Jewish, maybe I'm naive but I highly doubt that he would use neo nazi's.
     
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    Actually you painted the picture by leading down a path of irrelevant hypothetical scenarios until you finally arrived at a “gotcha!” byte you felt was worth clinging onto and beating to death. You’ve managed to derail the conversation into a theory about my supposedly “questionable” allegiance to the country. Good work. You’re MSNBC now.
     
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    And you are changing the discussion by getting all upset with how I make my point and such avoiding the point. I tried to give you an example you could empathize with and you doubled down on your ridiculous position and tried to make me sound elementary and too simplistic to address. It's cool tho, you do you.
     

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