OT "I'm Dealing With A Few Transgender Issues"

The people who really are forgotten in all of this is trans men. They are most likely not good enough to compete with the cis men but they can’t legally compete with the women. So where is their equity? If one of the top female athletes transitioned and is now a man, are they going to be good enough to get a scholarship with a mens team?

 

No, I don't think so. The Olympic swimmer doesn't have natural advantages that men typically have in physical competitions.

I'm not suggesting a massive rule change. Just a change that would shield leagues from being sued for upholding the integrity of their divisions.

Nobody is saying they can't compete. Just protections so they can't sue to compete at a different gender division than what they were naturally born to qualify for.

If the league is fine with it then no problem. But the league should be free to make that decision without fear of legal action.

 

Do you want DNA checks to be sure athletes are competing only in gender assigned at birth?

 

Get outta here. Nobody anywhere said anything about being an expert. The whole point of the post is that I/we/they no nothing about the issue and would sure like to understand it better. Though please don't presume understanding will mean they will agree with you.
Even more so, you're so afraid to be called out you won't even tag the post you are responding to.
Totally weak. If you are going to have this conversation at least be real enough about it to converse directly to the people you are calling out.

By the way what does "cis" men mean?

 

Exactly.

There are a number of articles starting to surface about this issue that have the women involved speaking out against it. Problem is many are very conflicted here. Women's sports are predominantly LGBT attended and approved. Many spent their entire lives supporting LGBT rights. Now all the sudden they got their spot on the National team or position in a National heat taken from them by a Trans Woman( Thanks @crandc for pointing that out because i had no idea what to call him) and they either call it out or live with the results.

 

All i can do is answer this for me.
Personally i would just like it to be fair for all involved. Your DNA question is loaded because you will throw it back on a number of different subjects and issues. Right now as it stands It's not on an equal playing field.

 

There are numerous ways a medical exam can determine this. An x ray of the pelvis would probably do it.
The least invasive and most accurate method would be preferred.

 

Its all about a level playing field regardless of what you are. Throughout sports, amateurs and pro's there a numerous leagues and divisions for having a level fairness. Many leagues move people up depending on there performance levels.
Actually there should be divisions/leagues for trans men and women. This imo, would even promote the whole issue in a more positive way. It would take a while to build it up but it would happen and be more level/fair. Just a thought.
I grew up when there was no girls sports hardly but it did break through and really took off. When i coached my sons baseball teams I had several girls play on it and they were good, but when they got into junior high and hs they wanted to play girls softball instead and they really excelled.
There is a more equitable/level way it just needs to be found and implemented.

 

Her

 

This is a wedge issue.

People who have NO interest in women's sports, who have ignored or ridiculed female athletes, are now up in arms because a small number of trans girls/women are "destroying" women's sports. They don't advocate for equal funding, or equal pay for female athletes, or more TV exposure for women's sports.

They are using discomfort with trans people to get (straight, cis) folks to go along with attacks on LGBTQ rights.

It is similar in that sense to late abortion. Many people are uncomfortable with that, although it is rare and only occurs in cases of medical emergency to woman or severe birth defects to fetus. But get people to agree to ban abortion after 6 months and then it's 4 months, 3 months, 3 weeks, 3 minutes.... because you have established that state legislatures know more about women's pregnancies than the woman.

Get people to agree that trans people are in a separate category from "regular" (meaning cis) folks and then it's OK to say businesses can refuse service if Jesus, state funding agencies can refuse service to gay couples, states can refuse to recognize our marriages, and Florida can pass don't say gay laws. Because state legislators know more about trans people than the trans people themselves.

It's about getting people to think some "others" are just that, other.
How many of you have ever watched women's sports?
How many of you have evern met a single transgender person?

 

I have watched tons of womens sports. I enjoy womens soccer. I enjoy womens volleyball. I enjoy watching gymnastics. I was a huge supporter of female gamers.

I have met and got to know quite a few trans or non binary people.

I have a daughter.

Do I get to have an opinion? Do I pass your test?

 

No, this is different. I am sorry, but this is completely different. No other sports qualification is extended to the rest of your life as far as I can tell.

I try to follow the science on all of those issues.

To answer your questions, I watch women's/girls sports about 50-60hrs per week during basketball season.

I've met many transgender people. They are like other people. There are at least one in each of my 3 daughter's grades.

But that has nothing to do with sports divisions, which are set to ensure fairness for the benefit of the sport. To encourage competition.

I'm not trying to exclude trans people from sports or single them out. Simply saying from birth, you should be allowed to advance in divisions, however the league should have the authority to determine if you are allowed to move down in divisions.

 

I would just to point out that I have never in my life told someone that their opinion was invalid or less valuable because of their race, gender, or sexuality.

I might call someone a moron if they're stupid, and I might shoot holes in your ideas or opinions with facts, but I have never and will never stop someone and say, "sorry you don't get to have an opinion because you're __________."

To me, that's the very opposite of inclusive. So you no longer get to crow about inclusivity if you are excluding anyone for any reason that is beyond their control, like race, gender, or sexuality.

 

So many assumptions and generalizations it’s hard to take too seriously or even debate, because it sounds like we can’t explain anything. We are just men so we aren’t allowed an opinion on it.

 

Talk about changing the subject.

 

Exactly all the fucking hours I spent watching my daughter all her life don’t count.
All my wife’s (She was lesbian when I met her by the way) friends and acquaintances don’t count either.
That post just reeks of irony.
It’s like opening a vacuum lacking basic common sense.

 

I don't think anyone is talking about the actual literal ability to post our opinions.

There are certain people who bristle any time a straight cis man offers an opinion on anything that they disagree with.