Trade Hart/Winslow/Didi/Keon/pick or CJ/Norm/Nance/Roco?

So you're telling me that the Pelicans were willing to give up the 8th pick, and in the case where the trade worked out for them, weren't willing to give up the 8th pick?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Except the first trade was literally the initial CJ trade...

 

Nance with 13 points on 6/9 shooting and good defense taking down the #1 seed in a playoff game. He was key in the playin game too.

Both wins are bigger than any game Hart has played in his career.

Did the Blazers give up the two best players in the CJ trade?

 

I didn't see the sourced report, can you share that link here? Which side offered the trade and which one turned it down?

 

I would give a slight edge to Hart over Nance when both healthy. I do like Nance's game, but he misses 15-35 games a season and that has to be factored in.

 

This is hilarious! He has a couple decent games and now he's a stud.
Go look at his game log and see how inconsistent he is. Or pretty consistently garbage when he played for us.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2580365/larry-nance-jr

 

he's also only played in 13 of 32 games for the Pels. And he wouldn't have played any playoff games for the Pels if Paul George didn't get Covid

still, Nance made some sense for New Orleans as a bench player. He made no sense at all for Portland as a bench player after the dismantle. And including him turned an 11M TPE for the Blazers into a 21M TPE

whether or not they use the TPE is another matter

 

We can debate the merits of the trade and how much of the blame falls on the Vulcans, but it seems to me there is a more fundamental issue here.

Does Olshey strike you as the type of boss who would surround himself with people who are smarter than him, or with mediocre yes men?

 

Cronin was here before olshey was, I believe.

 

I think that's correct, but that Olshey promoted him.

BTW, does it bother anybody that our cap situation has been a mess for years - and that Cronin was supposed to be our cap expert?

 

Then maybe we need to better define what exactly “managing the owner” means. Did Neil manage up or just take orders and keep them happy? How is that managing them?

 

Yes men so he wasn't threatened. Just my opinion

 

The trades was about fit in billups system. CJ nice offense but didn't play defense and Roco good off ball defender but not good on ball defender plus Nance took his starting position before getting hurt and he was totally lost in billups defensive scheme. Powell was over rated as a defender and Nance who knows never stay healthy to get a good read how he would fit in. Then on offense you got CJ and Powell ball stoppers and that's probably not what billups offense was really about. The players we got back majority of them are decent defenders that actually when everyone was playing this was better defensive team. Plus you seen more passing too. So what it looked like the Blazers went for players that fit a system because a team that's play well together will majority of the time will come out of head of things.

 

This has been my concern as well. I have been impressed by how deliberately Cronin answers questions and seemingly decisive he has been.

He got about what I thought was likely, though I was hoping for a miracle.

Just hoping that it was being smart, cool headed, and calculated that allowed him to survive that long under Olshey.

 

Sure seems like a super nice dude and one of those guys everyone gets along with, Im sure you correct above. In his intro interview I recall him saying he's lasted because he stays out of peoples way. Maybe he was talking about Neil?

 

Could well be. Fingers crossed. I was hoping he'd knock our socks off with the CJ deal... I just never could find a path to actually making that happen.

He's got to be good or we're in for a rough couple years, IMO.

 

...do you not remember trading CJ McCollum for Josh Hart and the Pelicans pick, which was 8th at the time?

 

Crickets

 

What other guards like Norm with a similar contract was dealt? Was that player dealt for long 2 way wing or PF?

If people wanted that they probably would have made trades like that, don't you think?

Norm isn't as valuable as what we needed in return. That's why we had a glut of those guys on our roster. And his contract is on the long side for his age.

You known what I heard? Exactly nobody from any other market offering things we need for Norman Powell.

If teams/markets wanted him they would have been talking about it.

 

I'm telling you they wanted to make sure they got a lotto pick if they made the playoffs. They didn't want to miss out on that opportunity and they knew Cronin's back was to the wall because nobody else wanted CJ and his contract very much.

What was Cronin going to do, not trade CJ? The Pels had ALL the leverage. Which explains why Cronin made the Clippers trade so early, to remove some of the ammunition teams like the Pels had over him and were obviously using in the CJ negotiations.

It seems to me that if Cronin held out on the Clips deal the lotto pick wouldn't have even been in play.