As long as you don’t take away their rights….. RIGHT? https://www.today.com/news/news/chi...26200?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
Teenagers don't have a right to firearms. Those guns were being used illegally. People who break the law don't usually worry much about breaking other laws. I don't think more laws are the solution here...
Just once I’d like to see you admit that had guns not been involved in a situation, things could have turned out better. You straight defend EVERY situation that happens with some random bullshit. Just admit it…. These kids would have been safer with no guns firing all around them.
No guns isn't a realistic option in the US. Kids are safer without cars. Kids are safer without swimming pools. Kids are safer without playing sports. Kids are safer without stepfathers. I'm not about spending time in some fairy-tale world that isn't possible. So, as much as you would like it, unfortunately I don't think that will ever happen.
He's not saying no one should have guns. He's saying those teenagers shouldn't have them and the kids playing baseball would have been safer had they not had them. Stricter gun laws would have made it alot harder for them to get those guns. Those little leaguers are traumatized for life and your response is pretty much a shoulder shrug and an oh well.
I disagree. It's already illegal for them to have guns. If Americans are free to own guns American kids (superficially teenagers) will be able to get guns. It's that simple. Not at all. My response is that I'm not willing to restrict the rights of every American by means which offer, at best, a very slight reduction in violent crime or murder rates. Again, I'm more than happy to restrict dangerous people. I'm not willing to make sweeping nationwide laws which restricts people's right to defend themselves. I am ALL FOR other options which have been proven to be far more effective and efficient, and options which do no restrict the rights of law abiding American citizens. And every time a post is made in here implying that guns are a major cause of our violent crime and murder rates I'll point out the flaws if I see them. Which is the position I've supported with data in this very forum many times.
Excellent point! Just because children are 5-15x more likely to be abused by their stepfather than anybody else doesn't mean all stepfathers are bad. So we shouldn't be restricting the right to be a stepfather. Or to own swimming pools... etc... These things take nuance. They are more complex than just "stepfathers" are bad, or "pools are bad", or "guns are bad", etc. Again, we should certainly prevent dangerous people from legally owning weapons. But that doesn't mean we need to make it more difficult for every law abiding American.
Just seems there is a benefit from pools, cars, stepfathers and airplanes etc. They serve a positive purpose in life. We all want to use cars to get to places. They are fairly necessary. Then there are guns.
Guns are used for good quite regularly, it's just that prevented mass shootings and other prevented crimes don't get the same attention. So when a mass shooting happens where the assailant is sadly not stopped and kills lots of people, you get the "hurr durr where's the good guy with a gun?" bs because people are not aware of incidents like this. Good guys with guns defend themselves and stop crimes hundreds of thousands to millions of times a year. They just don't get a month of news coverage and a Bloomberg financed march. https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhs...ked-about-defensive-gun-uses/?sh=11aa30c1299a Remember that this includes everything from killing an assailant, down to simply brandishing a gun to dissuade a potential attacker. https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3 The lowest end estimates are around 70,000 a year. Which is still 6-7x our gun homicides, and far more than all gun deaths.
I just don’t get excited about the idea that guns are good because they stop guns that are so terrible. Feels like paying your credit card bill with another credit card. Guns are out of control. Period. America has a love affair with them. Nobody else does. The world thinks we are a joke.
This isn't about stopping other guns. It's about having the means to defend oneself from all crime. You see, in my opinion, all crime and violence is equally bad regardless of the tool used. Not just crime and violence that is committed with guns. So when examining crimes and violence I tend to look at overall violence and crime, and thereby advocate for policies which impact all crime rather than just gun crime.
Sure All crime and violence is bad. Yes. But violence with a gun is more concerning than other forms of violence. All criminals are criminals but petty theft and murder are not the same.
Why is violence with a gun more concerning? Is it better to be bludgeoned to death with a club? *Edit* Of course petty crime and murder are not the same. But petty crime with a gun is the same as petty crime with a knife. Murder with a car is the same as murder with a gun.
I would say being convicted of any violent attack that isn't self defense should get you banned from accessing firearms.
