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Lanny said:
Until this year. And now we're being run by the Keystone Cops. What a total pile of shit.
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This is about as on topic as it gets. I don't know if we're a total pile of shit. I definitely don't want the people that are running our team to continue to. I don't think we have a great chance of getting rid of Jodi and the Vulcans immediately but the fact that the team still hasn't announced that Cronin is the permanent GM gives me some hope that we might have different people running it day today and the Vulcans just get lucky with who they pick to do it.
 
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The clusterfuck that Olshey put into place is why they're in the place they're in, not Cronin. They had to trade CJ, and honestly, he wasn't worth much more than what they got (without taking back a shitty contract to match).

Losing the pick sucks, but everything had to fall into place for the Pelicans for the pick to not convey. Can't blame that on Cronin.
 
Just a period of rejuvenation!
The fact that this forum exist and there are so many blazer-maniacs indicates its been good ride for many of the years.
Virtually half the league are laggards big time, and half are in the playoffs and maybe on any given year 4/5 serious contenders.
 
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julius said:
The clusterfuck that Olshey put into place is why they're in the place they're in, not Cronin. They had to trade CJ, and honestly, he wasn't worth much more than what they got (without taking back a shitty contract to match).

Losing the pick sucks, but everything had to fall into place for the Pelicans for the pick to not convey. Can't blame that on Cronin.
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I'm going to say this again. You most definitely can blame that on Cronin and it's the only logical thing to do. He is the one that took the risk that didn't pay off and he is the one that didn't put stipulations in place that would have mitigated that risk (there are a lot of first rounders the Pelicans could have the rights to between now and the Bucks 2025). So of course Cronin gets held accountable for not getting a better return on not only CJ but also Larry in that deal. He also gets blamed for getting robbed by the Clippers.

If you think that Cronin has done a great job since taking over then we completely disagree. I think he's done a shitty job but if you think he's done an average or below average job since being made interim GM that can't possibly earn him the actual GM job and with what's at stake we have to have an actual GM in place as soon as possible. Whoever the new GM is should be announced immediately.
 
blazerkor said:
I'm going to say this again. You most definitely can blame that on Cronin and it's the only logical thing to do. He is the one that took the risk that didn't pay off and he is the one that didn't put stipulations in place that would have mitigated that risk (there are a lot of first rounders the Pelicans could have the rights to between now and the Bucks 2025). So of course Cronin gets held accountable for not getting a better return on not only CJ but also Larry in that deal. He also gets blamed for getting robbed by the Clippers.

If you think that Cronin has done a great job since taking over then we completely disagree. I think he's done a shitty job but if you think he's done an average or below average job since being made interim GM that can't possibly earn him the actual GM job and with what's at stake we have to have an actual GM in place as soon as possible. Whoever the new GM is should be announced immediately.
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A) the post never said Cronin did a great job. In fact, he never graded Cronin at all.

B) There wasn't much more we could have gotten for CJ without a bigger contract coming back. The pick leaving sucks, I was pissed too. Should there have been contingencies, sure. But to think we could have gotten more or not, CJ wasn't worth much more.

C) Olshey fucked us. He made it so CJ was either with us forever because we couldn't trade him or we were gonna get screwed on the trade market.

The one I will give is that LAC trade. That one can't be defended.

I'm not a defender of Cronin, but there are things that hover in the grey area that needed to be addressed.

Do I want the interim tag off of Cronin? Only if an exhaustive search was done and all rocks turned over first. I'd only be upset if that doesn't happen. Otherwise, we get what we got.
 
blazerkor said:
I'm going to say this again. You most definitely can blame that on Cronin and it's the only logical thing to do. He is the one that took the risk that didn't pay off and he is the one that didn't put stipulations in place that would have mitigated that risk (there are a lot of first rounders the Pelicans could have the rights to between now and the Bucks 2025). So of course Cronin gets held accountable for not getting a better return on not only CJ but also Larry in that deal. He also gets blamed for getting robbed by the Clippers.

If you think that Cronin has done a great job since taking over then we completely disagree. I think he's done a shitty job but if you think he's done an average or below average job since being made interim GM that can't possibly earn him the actual GM job and with what's at stake we have to have an actual GM in place as soon as possible. Whoever the new GM is should be announced immediately.
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They needed out of contracts, and not taking back any. They needed to clear out of the crap they had before. I don't care what he got for Norman Powell and Robert Covington. Covington wasn't worth shit, and Powell had no real role here, and doesn't really make the team better. There's a reason why they got what they got for the players they traded. Both in the sense they only wanted ot take back certain things (no big contracts) but also that their contracts were bad and the players going out weren't as good as we think they were.

They waaay overpaid for Covington, far more than they got "robbed" by the Clippers. Powell had no role going forward here, and players like him are not uncommon to find. CJ is massively overpaid, and still has almost 70 million owed to him.

He (Cronin) did what he was instructed to do. Get rid of bloated contracts, not take back any bloated contracts, create cap space flexibility, and smaller contracts easier to trade (Winslow, Hughes, Johnson and even Hart are all easier to trade).

The Clippers didn't have a pick this year, and can't trade next years either, as there was restrictions on their picks until 2025 anyways.

Covington and Powell weren't getting the team massive offers that included a high pick, that wouldn't have included a salary dump by the other team.
 
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Never a better opportunity to win a championship then over the next two years!

Super Teams are a mess, that approach won’t consistently win. Basketball is a team game - our 1977 Champions were the epitome of teamwork and few stars.

With a healthy Dame and crew (as scripted) I’ll bet we could have made it to the second round THIS playoffs - who’s truly good? Denver? Utah? Even PHX showed how fragile the teams are right now.

I say we re-sign Nurk and Ant and bring in Grant if he doesn’t cost us much more than 2025 Buck’s 1st and perhaps Bledsoe. Bring back a guy like Eubanks and maybe Williams; they were hustlers!

I was in attendance for every home Blazer game during the ‘77 Championship playoff run. We overcame big mountains and Lady Luck reared her head a few times, but with desire, and coaching and a group of guys that really played team ball, we did the impossible.

I feel it’s gonna happen next year!

Go Blazers
 
Strenuus said:
A) the post never said Cronin did a great job. In fact, he never graded Cronin at all.

B) There wasn't much more we could have gotten for CJ without a bigger contract coming back. The pick leaving sucks, I was pissed too. Should there have been contingencies, sure. But to think we could have gotten more or not, CJ wasn't worth much more.

C) Olshey fucked us. He made it so CJ was either with us forever because we couldn't trade him or we were gonna get screwed on the trade market.

The one I will give is that LAC trade. That one can't be defended.

I'm not a defender of Cronin, but there are things that hover in the grey area that needed to be addressed.

Do I want the interim tag off of Cronin? Only if an exhaustive search was done and all rocks turned over first. I'd only be upset if that doesn't happen. Otherwise, we get what we got.
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pretty much where I'm at. I'm no fan of Cronin and I'll be concerned if he is the one running the draft and the off-season

Could he have done a little better on the Pels trade? Probably....maybe. When the particulars of the trade were announced back in February I suggested the Blazers should have received the Lakers pick, top-4 protected, as insurance; even though at the time it sure looked like there was absolutely no way the Lakers could sink inside the top-10 of the lottery

I've discussed this trade with Blazerkor and a couple of other posters who have gone so ballistic about the Pels trade and they've all said the trade would have been acceptable if only Portland would have got that 2nd lottery pick this year. In other words, what made the trade unacceptable is Paul George getting Covid after the Lakers had a historic collapse. That's the pivot point. I guess Cronin failed because he didn't allow for PG13 getting Covid the morning of the play-in game

again, I think Cronin could have probably secured a little better return from the Pels. Whether or not he asked and the Pels refused is something I don't know. I am pretty sure he was operating under some fairly strict financial boundaries imposed by the Vulcans. And I'm suspricious of the Clippers trade because of the relationship between Jody Allen, MS, and Ballmer
 
Lanny's sentiments are about five years late.
I have sang the praises of the "addition by subtraction" theory....Starting with Olshit, CJ, Norm, roco.....
We now have two more to get rid of...Jody and Bert.
Then, the team will be just fine.
 
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Wade Garrett said:
Lanny's sentiments are about five years late.
I have sang the praises of the "addition by subtraction" theory....Starting with Olshit, CJ, Norm, roco.....
We now have two more to get rid of...Jody and Herb.
Then, the team will be just fine.
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Herb?

Do you mean Bert?
 
julius said:
They needed out of contracts, and not taking back any. They needed to clear out of the crap they had before. I don't care what he got for Norman Powell and Robert Covington. Covington wasn't worth shit, and Powell had no real role here, and doesn't really make the team better. There's a reason why they got what they got for the players they traded. Both in the sense they only wanted ot take back certain things (no big contracts) but also that their contracts were bad and the players going out weren't as good as we think they were.

They waaay overpaid for Covington, far more than they got "robbed" by the Clippers. Powell had no role going forward here, and players like him are not uncommon to find. CJ is massively overpaid, and still has almost 70 million owed to him.

He (Cronin) did what he was instructed to do. Get rid of bloated contracts, not take back any bloated contracts, create cap space flexibility, and smaller contracts easier to trade (Winslow, Hughes, Johnson and even Hart are all easier to trade).

The Clippers didn't have a pick this year, and can't trade next years either, as there was restrictions on their picks until 2025 anyways.

Covington and Powell weren't getting the team massive offers that included a high pick, that wouldn't have included a salary dump by the other team.
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It's crazy that so many in here know exactly what there was or wasn't on the trade market for these guys and allow what Cronin did get to dictate what they believe is the best anyone could have got. The fact is I wouldn't be too upset over the CJ trade if the pick would have conveyed or the Lakers pick would have if the Pels didn't. That trade wouldn't have been great for us but it wouldn't have been the absolute failure that it now is. I don't really give a shit that the Clippers didn't have a first rounder until 2025 since they only gave us a 2025 second rounder anyway. Of course we could have got more for every player that we traded (Hart and a late lotto pick for CJ along with some cap relief would have made sense).

I'm not delusional, I didn't expect two firsts for RoCo or complete salary relief and a first for Norm. I just think coming away with Keon, Justise, only a mostly expiring contract in Bledsoe and a fucking 2025 second rounder that could have been bought during that draft for cash was far too little. Remember that the cap savings for this season were like 4M. I don't think that we would have been getting robbed with the CJ trade if the pick conveyed if we weren't throwing in Larry like he was some kind of cap filler. I just think coming away with Hart, Hughes, the Bucks 2025 first and another second rounder that could have been had for cash was too little for those two. I realize that many in here are for some reason viewing the over one hundred million in savings for a trust worth 200 times that as an accomplishment for Cronin but I just can't quite get there on that. But fuck it, what's done is done and we can still have a bright future.

Now we are where we are and I can't imagine that anyone was blown away by Cronin's performance and if someone is in an interim capacity, interviewing for one of only 30 positions in the world at the pinnacle of their profession... in my book they better be blowing people away with their performance if they are going to get that job. There are hundreds of qualified candidates that don't have any ties to the Olshey regime and so many in here want to keep Olshey's right hand man, along with the vast majority of his front office after what has to be seen as no better than a barely proficient trade deadline after a decade of wasting the brilliance of Damian Lillard by treading water with an average of a first round exit. That fucking blows me away. The perceived distance between who we have running the team now and who we've had running the team over the past decade is mind blowing because many of you in here act like it's a huge difference and it's the same fucking people minus one.

Edit: For anyone in here that remembers me begging for Olshey to be fired every fucking day since the LaMarcus debacle, I just want to say that when I was pleading for him to get fired I never imagined that he would be fired and we would give control of the team to all of his cronies (not a Cronin pun but could be one).
 
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blazerkor said:
It's crazy that so many in here know exactly what there was or wasn't on the trade market for these guys and allow what Cronin did get to dictate what they believe is the best anyone could have got.
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Except nobody defending Cronin said that he got absolute top value. It's the exact opposite where people bitching and whining about Cronin for the past 2 months, again without knowing what offers were there, are certain he got fleeced and taken advantage of. Nice strawman though.
 
RR7 said:
Except nobody defending Cronin said that he got absolute top value. It's the exact opposite where people bitching and whining about Cronin for the past 2 months, again without knowing what offers were there, are certain he got fleeced and taken advantage of. Nice strawman though.
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I don't think he did enough to get a job that he was in the running for as interim and will be troubled if we just allow a succession to take place in what still is very much the same regime that we've had over the last decade. When I said I wanted Olshey fired I meant I wanted our front office purged (not killed like in the Purge movies, just removed and replaced).
 
blazerkor said:
It's crazy that so many in here know exactly what there was or wasn't on the trade market for these guys and allow what Cronin did get to dictate what they believe is the best anyone could have got. The fact is I wouldn't be too upset over the CJ trade if the pick would have conveyed or the Lakers pick would have if the Pels didn't. That trade wouldn't have been great for us but it wouldn't have been the absolute failure that it now is. I don't really give a shit that the Clippers didn't have a first rounder until 2025 since they only gave us a 2025 second rounder anyway. Of course we could have got more for every player that we traded (Hart and a late lotto pick for CJ along with some cap relief would have made sense).

I'm not delusional, I didn't expect two firsts for RoCo or complete salary relief and a first for Norm. I just think coming away with Keon, Justise, only a mostly expiring contract in Bledsoe and a fucking 2025 second rounder that could have been bought during that draft for cash was far too little. Remember that the cap savings for this season were like 4M. I don't think that we would have been getting robbed with the CJ trade if the pick conveyed if we weren't throwing in Larry like he was some kind of cap filler. I just think coming away with Hart, Hughes, the Bucks 2025 first and another second rounder that could have been had for cash was too little for those two. I realize that many in here are for some reason viewing the over one hundred million in savings for a trust worth 200 times that as an accomplishment for Cronin but I just can't quite get there on that. But fuck it, what's done is done and we can still have a bright future.

Now we are where we are and I can't imagine that anyone was blown away by Cronin's performance and if someone is in an interim capacity, interviewing for one of only 30 positions in the world at the pinnacle of their profession... in my book they better be blowing people away with their performance if they are going to get that job. There are hundreds of qualified candidates that don't have any ties to the Olshey regime and so many in here want to keep Olshey's right hand man, along with the vast majority of his front office after what has to be seen as no better than a barely proficient trade deadline after a decade of wasting the brilliance of Damian Lillard by treading water with an average of a first round exit. That fucking blows me away. The perceived distance between who we have running the team now and who we've had running the team over the past decade is mind blowing because many of you in here act like it's a huge difference and it's the same fucking people minus one.

Edit: For anyone in here that remembers me begging for Olshey to be fired every fucking day since the LaMarcus debacle, I just want to say that when I was pleading for him to get fired I never imagined that he would be fired and we would give control of the team to all of his cronies (not a Cronin pun but could be one).
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You decry to others that they don't know what could have been had but all the same you make it known there could have been more.

Just admit you don't know and accept that other people know you don't know either. Saves a lot of words lol.

It's okay, I have to do it all the time.
 
RR7 said:
Except nobody defending Cronin said that he got absolute top value. It's the exact opposite where people bitching and whining about Cronin for the past 2 months, again without knowing what offers were there, are certain he got fleeced and taken advantage of. Nice strawman though.
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exactly. You can't use that argument for one argument only, when it applies to both
 
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