Apparently, police are at all interested in stopping a school shooting either. Police aren't interested in processing rape kits. Police aren't interested in a lot fucking things. Like the old Chris Rock joke: “You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Men, we need to control the bullets, that’s right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders. Yeah! Every time somebody get shut we’d say, ‘Damn, he must have done something ... Shit, he’s got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass.’ And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five thousand dollars. ‘Man I would blow your fucking head off…if I could afford it.’ ‘I’m gonna get me another job, I’m going to start saving some money, and you’re a dead man. You’d better hope I can’t get no bullets on layaway.’ So even if you get shot by a stray bullet, you wouldn't have to go to no doctor to get it taken out. Whoever shot you would take their bullet back, like "I believe you got my property.” Meaning you start the process of greater gun and ammo data at the point of sale of guns and ammo. You add criminal and liability penalties for people that do not follow them. If you're caught using registered ammo in an unregistered gun there is a criminal penalty enhancement.
Was supposed to be every *law abiding* citizen. And not in response to the shooting, but in response to police screwing the pooch so severely and deliberately.
What about ammo people make at home? Is that illegal? What about ammo that people have stocked up on? That stuff lasts decades... If you're going to do something like this it's going to have a sunset provision. I don't think you'll get that aneay, but just assuming you did. If there aren't nearly immediate significant measurable proven drops in gun crime it's just going to sunset. And there is no way to make that kind of impact consider the sheer volume of existing and unregistered guns and ammo in this country. I understand that it would be great to be able to track down a murderer easily. But there is just too much political momentum against anything that can allow that to happen more effectively by further regulating guns in this country. It's just a shame that we're too stubborn to shift the political will to things which are not as fervently opposed, but would likely significantly reduce violent crime and murder rates (far more so than any gun control ever has), while also being generally great for the country as a whole.
Sort of fucks up the case that well trained, responsible legal American gun owners are going to keep the peace and protect the public......first of all blanket statements don't apply in a complex society...saying things like children aren't psychotic or police aren't going to try to save lives, etc.....take the situation for what it is...hold THOSE people accountable but when I was held up and ro bbed by 3 teens with handguns the last thing I thought was...."I need more guns!" and the police caught the kids after they'd pistol whipped an 80 year old woman for her cigarettes...yeah. Fear is a bitch but every situation is unique...the thing that isn't is that we have too many weapons and too much ammo in this country and it's bound to fall into the wrong hands. Limiting ammo is an important step.....I saw boxes of 9mm bullets for sale at bimart with 1000 rounds...no hunter needs 1000 rounds of ammo. A good hunter needs two bullets at a time tops...shotguns hold two rounds....in England guns are illegal except for manually chambered hunting rifles and shotguns...I like that approach.
How about we just completely end gun sales in America from here on forward (other than private sales with major restrictions)? If someone wants a gun, they can inherit it or buy from an existing gun owner. But if there are over four hundred million guns in America, that's enough. The arithmetic says that enough guns exist in this country so that every single American can have one (and then some). Ending gun sales is not saying Americans can't own guns, they just can't buy new ones and will have to be satisfied with their "old" ones. See how that works? They have a right to bear arms, they just don't have the right to buy them "commercially" anymore. Both sides "win"..........
Context matters in those blanket statements. Police can obviously not be counted on to insert themselves between an armed psycho and elementary school children. They've deliberately avoided doing so on multiple occasions. This is not people making mistakes, this is how they are trained. And as a general rule, getting close to a gun doesn't make people (including children) want to kill other people. 1000 rounda of ammo goes pretty quick when you are sport shooting with a group. Or if you're trying to stock up before the next lockdown. In general, 9mm isn't used for hunting anyway. That's a handgun round. And it is comparably cheap, which is great for target practice with a gun that has some kick. Especially in a group.
You will very quickly have people making their own guns, ammunition, and magazines, and fully automatic guns are far easier to make then semiautomatic. Extended magazines are incredibly simple to make once you've done it a few times. This is another problem with banning the AR. You'll get an influx of far more dangerous weapons in the Black market.
there is no general rule about rage and violence. also you can take the police in that town to task but not my cousin who's a damned good sheriff or my son's college roommate who's a great police officer....it's like saying all gun owners are violent......practice what you preach...I grew up hunting and butchering livestock and a 22 caliber short round will bring down an 800 pound steer....my dad used them because it was the cheapest ammo...never failed....I also trapped animals and hunted with a rifle and a shotgun....good hunters don't shoot much and as far as sports shooting...I have zero interest in that as a sport. I don't believe anyone needs 1000 rounds of ammo ever...all my hunting years with my dad and brothers we never kept that amount of ammo around..hunted regularly
You keep on saying people will be making their own guns, like it's a threat... Stupid people that shoot up places are stupid and won't be building a homemade arsenal. I think we disagree on this.
Some of them apparently are. 27 school shootings this year's says too many are. Those who have the desire to kill like the Ulvade shooter or the Michigan kid...you don't think they would obsess over how to get control of the teachers gun?
Which is a lot harder to do than going across the street to the firearms store. Those criminals will need policing, which we already have!
Sure, you can grandfather in a bunch of shit. But you can also have financial and liability incentives for people to bring in existing guns and ammo into compliance. I have an 1892 Winchester rifle that has been in my family since it was purchased new. It still has the metal loop on the stock, which if you know about this rifle you know is very rare. This gun is part of my family history. The serial number and manufacture date are actually online. This gun is invaluable to my family's history. I have a rider for it on the home policy. If the law said I had to register it with the police/state/feds to continue to have it on my insurance, I FUCKING WOULD! And yes, there are no instant answers or solutions to these problems. But that is the way things are in life. There are no instant answers to cancer or global warming or most things. But to not try to slowly and steadily make things better is wrong.
It's making it more difficult to acquire. The ease of access of going in to Walmart and walking out with a murder took versus having to know someone who knows someone selling, or has a 3d printer.
Making your own child porn is easier than trying to buy it so we shouldn't have laws trying to stop people from owning the child porn that is already out there because it will just force people to make their own.
