Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Lawyer for Uvalde teacher contradicts key detail from official police account of shooting

    In the days after the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, that left 19 students and two teachers dead, news reports echoed police claims that the shooter entered the classroom where he killed all his victims through a door that was left propped open by a school teacher.

    Now, according to the San Antonio Express-News, the teacher's lawyer says she closed the door shut after she was informed an active shooter was on the loose.

    Lawyer Don Flanary said the teacher, who remains unidentified, called 9-11 when to report an accident near the school involving a black truck, which later turned out to belong to the gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos. Flanary added that the teacher propped open the door around the time Ramos crashed his truck, and that the employee called 9-11, but said he wants to make clear that the door was not left propped open.

    “She saw the wreck,” Flanary said. “She ran back inside to get her phone to report the accident. She came back out while on the phone with 911. The men at the funeral home yelled, ‘He has a gun!’ She saw him jump the fence, and he had a gun so she ran back inside.

    “She kicked the rock away when she went back in. She remembers pulling the door closed while telling 911 that he was shooting. She thought the door would lock because that door is always supposed to be locked.”

    A source familiar with the investigation said security video confirms the teacher removed the rock holding the door open and closed it.

    https://www.rawstory.com/uvalde-school-shooting/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
     
  2. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Policing the semantics of gun classification is not an interest of mine. As I said, I'm happy with whatever definition of guns you choose, you are the expert.

    I'm not sure we can do even one of those things, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    And I know that there are versions of you out there making similar cases against each of those other things. I have a MD friend who is very much against universal healthcare, for instance, and believes it's a waste of resources to even talk about it.

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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I could see why an MD would selfishly be opposed to universal healthcare. It would likely cut their salary.
     
  4. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes. People sometimes have selfish reasons for their political positions.

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    Yep. I try to look at data as a way to minimize that kind of thing.
     
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    Love it!
     
  8. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Why? More competition? Not going to be allowed to charge outrageous fees for their service?

    They'd still charge the same and just get paid by the state/fed.
     
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    Nah, they'd likely have to charge Medicare rates. It would save them a lot on paperwork and in the claims department, but I think it would still end up being a 10% pay cut or so...
     
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    Agreed. Show them shitting themselves and make a mockery of them...
     
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    the cops killed some kids on accident and are covering it up
     
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    Yeah, this seems logical...
     
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    I would also say that any of those other things would have a far greater positive impact on far more lives than any gun law ever could.
     
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    It's interesting that we haven't heard about any of them committing suicide, if true. I sure as hell wouldn't be able to live with myself if I did that.
     
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    Opinion: I’m from Uvalde. I’m not surprised this happened.

    So much needs fixed in our country.
     
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    Put it simply. What do you love more, your guns or your children?
     
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    I love my children too much to rely solely on the police to defend my family.

    According to the CDC there are at least 500,000 defensive gun uses per year in the US. Possibly as many as 3 million per year.

    These emotional pleas are completely disregarding the actual data available to us.

    Students in America are 20x more likely to be killed by their parents than by a gun at school. The vast majority of "child" gun deaths are due to their involvement in gangs.

    The guns are a red herring to prevent us from focusing on the real problems. Which are all far less expensive and politically simpler to address, as the constitution isn't standing in the way of those solutions.
     
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    20x’s more likely to be killed by their parents and or at a gun range.

    I don’t think that made the case you wanted it to?
     
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    I've advocated for better gun safety education.

    But far more children are killed by their own parents every year than are killed by all accidental firearm deaths. Gun range or not.
     

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