The focus is on humans, and what we can do to make them safer from getting killed for no reason. It's very difficult to harden children to gunshots. They are soft targets (and tasty too, but I digress...). So it makes sense to focus on keeping them from getting shot. One way (not the only way) is to reduce the number of times children and guns are in the same place. Fewer children would be one way to achieve that. Fewer guns would be another. There are lots of other things we could do, I agree. We should look into doing anything and everything that might help. We won't, though. barfo
Excellent post. We likely won't. We'll keep doing the political pissing match they want us to do because we are unwilling to look at alternatives. Neither side has a good plan, but neither side actually cares enough to propose alternative solutions that aren't already politicized.
Senators say gun deal is within reach, but without Biden’s wish list Compromise sounds promising. Still doubtful anything gets passes, call me a pessimist.
Actually sounds like they are trying get things done that most agree on. Color me surprised. Agreed, fingers crossed, but I have a feeling talks will fail.
This is wrong given multiple source I have seen. Hawaii has one of the lowest gun ownership in the country. https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/gun-ownership.html https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state https://americangunfacts.com/gun-ownership-statistics/ If anything, Hawaii is the poster boy for harsher gun restrictions working. https://www.zocalopublicsquare.org/2018/07/31/hawaii-americas-lowest-rates-gun-violence/ideas/essay/
It’s been said before and everyone has heard it already but it’s always worth saying again. If mental issues are the main concern then maybe surrounding them with 400,000,000 guns ain’t the way? Making it possible to walk in at 18 and buy one? And the types of guns we sell maybe aren’t the best for a country with so much wrong with it mentally?
...more anecdotal data from a good friend on Oahu who says that over the last 2 years gun violence is on a steep rise (something like more incidents in 2yrs than the previous 20+ yrs). The culprit, mainland transplants bringing their "illegal" guns with them. FWIW
He’s made multiple “Many” statements like this over and over again in this thread. Next he will change the statement and or meaning while also trying to change the subject matter. He will find a small irrelevant point and focus on that. Muddy the Waters so to speak. It’s why he has absolutely no credibility on this subject any longer.
According to Hawaii they have as many as 2 million guns. Only 420k or so are registered as of 2015... https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/04/are-there-more-guns-than-people-in-hawaii/ https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/g...-shooting-gun-violence-rates-lowest-in-nation Just because Hawaiians aren't registering all of their guns from prior to the laws doesn't mean they aren't there.
Nobody is suggesting surrounding the mentally ill with guns. Any realistic way of reducing the number in the next couple decades? Who in this thread is advocating for this? What features were you hoping to further restrict?
So how does that compare to other states and their unregistered guns? I don't see a basis for comparison based on an estimate for just one state. barfo
How about you stop with the lies? Please show one claim I've made that hasn't been backed up with a source? You're just pissed because I've proven you wrong over and over. But your repeated personal attacks aren't going to fly. You don't like the data I've showed you, so you make personal attacks. You make false claims acting like you know about guns, only to be proven full of shit, and that pisses you off. I get it. I've tried being polite with you, but this is getting stupid. Either back up your claims or fuck off.
The US estimate of 400 million guns for the population of 329.5 million (1.21 guns per person) includes unregistered firearms. Hawaii estimates that they have 2 million for their population of 1.4 million (1.42 guns per person). I didn't claim a direct comparison to another state, just the overall average for the US.
I wonder how reliable those estimates actually are. 2 million seems like an awfully round number. As does 400 million. barfo
