Ok if you want to dismiss the all-star thing that's fine. Still doesn't make up the difference between one being as efficent as a clear #1 option than CJ who has always been a #2 option. You have to agree that there is a big difference between being a #1 and #2 option in this league in terms of how you are defended.
I guess we disagree on this. I'd take Beal and his contract over Norm and his contract all day every day. At the very least, you could flip Beal for a ton more than Powell.
Was CJ the #1 option in NOP? In the playoffs it's appeared Ingram was #1. With a healthy Zion, he might be the #3 option. I think we missed out on the NOP lottery pick because the Lakers melted down the last month of the season and NOP barely held off a Covidless PG13 (also missing Kawhi) Clippers team. CJ obviously made them more talented, but those other factors were critical in them being an 8th seed despite being 36-46.
Beal is a better player then CJ -- PERIOD However it's not so much that it would make much of a difference compared to IF we kept CJ also Beal is 6'2 /3 -- I just do not see the Blazers trading for another guard UNLESS they decide to trade Dame and let Beal slide into Dame's spot . All this trade for a guard stuff is complete BS and I believe is a HUGE smokescreen for what not sure but one thing i am pretty sure of is all this media talk of 7 for Grant is crap -- I think the odds of that trade happening is around 5 to 15%
Oh ya. Not sure it’s vastly different with those two though because the entire league knew either Dame or CJ was shooting. Almost more of a 1a to me They are so similar https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm...um=0&player_id1=mccolcj01&player_id2=bealbr01
As my post you quoted said, I like Powell on his contract more on a Blazers team with Dame. I'm not talking about Beal's value as a #1 option to a third team, and that was not what this thread or this message board is about. For the sake of your argument; lets say the Blazers try to pursue acquiring Beal. They would have to give up assets in a trade or renounce players such as Nurk/Simons/Hart to sign Beal. Instead the Blazers could have had a monkey sitting at Cronin's desk last February doing nothing, and now would have Norm on the roster instead of a few scrubs. Norm could make sense in a backcourt with Dame, either starting or as the 3rd guard off the bench. Dame and Beal taking up much more of the cap than DameCJ makes no sense. If the Blazers did get Beal, could they then flip Beal for a piece that fits better with Dame, and recoups some of the value of Nurk/Simons/Hart/etc in 6 months when trade restrictions end? Sure that is possible, but your basically throwing away most of the 2022-23 season to chase that unknown upgrade in assets. What if Beal isn't healthy at the trade deadline? Then the Blazers may have to throw away the season. Plus, do we really trust Cronin to buy low and sell high with players when his track record for the franchise is the opposite? I'm not sure Cronin could flip Beal for more value than Powell would have provided on the roster. For all we know other GM's would hold salary savings of Beal's max against Cronin in negotiations and we end up hearing how Cronin had to give away multiple picks so other GM's would stop trying to negotiate with him.
I am going to piggy back on my last post saying the following : I love ANT but he is another guard and he is small too and it seems like the Blazers are about to open a small bank to him my guess is 12 to 18 per year so i wonder IF all this Ant re-signing is not a smokescreen too. I think ANT has loyalty to PDX and IF it makes sense to him I think he would help the Blazers do a Sign and Trade so all this talk about Nurk S&T I think could me more likely for Ant NOT Nurk. I do not like putting money into another small guard so that is another reason Beal , Zach or and some might get upset with this take but even Ant is a huge gamble and kind of puts the team into the same boat they were with CJ
Ant at 18M/year would be a major bargain. We'll be lucky if the Blazers re-sign him for less that 100M/4.
Yeah, it reminds me of the Crabbe restricted free agency. It might even be realistic that we see Ant get maxed. Remember when the Blazers maxed Enes Kanter? Ant has more upside now than Enes did back then.
Guys what makes Ant different then Beal ? Just cause he is home grown he still is only 6'2 /3 and while he might be better on D he still is only 6'2 I want you all to think about that -- I am not saying I am against Ant resigning just a little wary of going down the same road we were just on with CJ just a little cheaper.
I agree that we shouldn't go all in on a Dame/ Ant backcourt. I'm just saying it's unfortunately likely that we do, and that it's a lot pricier than you were suggesting.
Hello, Please no. We do not need upgrades at guard. Dame Ant Hart ????????????? Meanwhile in the PF position: Watford Winslow Especially ones thst arent plus defenders. Why would this even be a thought?? Disappointed in the front office/Cronin if this is legit… What am i missing here?
Honestly the number for money i put in was a placeholder cause I have no idea what it will take and i do agree it's prolly like 15 to 22 but still -- the point was not Just the money it was the fit and what we just went through with CJ -- money is maybe the smallest issue.
Here are 4 things that are different. Age - Biggest difference, Ant is young enough to build around if the team pivots and trades Dame in the next year or so. Contract - Ant will make much less than Beal even on a max. If Ant contract ends up at a lower amount, it will be even more feasible to build a roster with both him and Dame. Potential - Ant has a chance to improve overall to a level above CJ or even Beal. Especially the potential to be better on defense. Cost to Sign - Beal would need to be acquired either in sign and trade (sending out assets) or with renouncing other players and exceptions. Resigning Ant doesn't cost any of that.
The money is a major aspect of it though. If we could somehow keep him for 12-15M, there could maybe be an argument for keeping him as a super-sub. At 24M... not so much.
I admittedly did not watch much CJ in NO, but I only watched regular season games. I don't think I watched more than two NBA playoff games, and one was Game One of the Finals. The couple of regular season games I did watch, CJ dominated the ball and the Hornets offense actually looked decent. My overall point was not to debate CJ v. Beal, though (I thought that was pretty clear). I just don't see a big difference between Dame and CJ v. Dame and Beal. We could have simply stayed the course with what we had, which was not working. I like Beal would love to have him on the Blazers, but for those that complained about CJ, I don't see how Beal changes things without us improving the front court (which is the same issue we've all been talking about for years).
I'm pretty much always for increasing the value of your roster, regardless of position, but these scenarios are certainly speculative on our part. I'm super confident Beal would return far greater value than a Powell level player, but that scenario is highly unlikely to happen, so we'll never know.
