I've heard of copycat stuff, but this is getting ridiculous. So very sad. https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/multiple-victims-shooting-maryland/?id=85030674 Multiple victims reported in shooting in Maryland: Sheriff
https://www.businessinsider.com/mat...ss-root-problem-need-gun-policy-reform-2022-6 Matthew McConaughey says the GOP's views on gun control 'address the root of the problem' but 'we also need to lean into not allowing the bad guy' to get a gun 'before we have to catch him' Matthew McConaughey said we need to "lean into not allowing the bad guy to get [a gun] before we have to catch him." The actor has become a staunch advocate for gun reform following the school shooting in his hometown of Uvalde, Texas. While the GOP is looking at the "root of the problem," he says gun policies are needed to stop mass shootings at the inception.
Handguns are plenty accurate at far greater distances than 7 yards. 15-20 yards is well within accurate range for pretty much any handgun. US Army lists maximum effective range of a 9mm handgun at 50 meters.
I really meant all the options. The mental health, the poverty, the education, AND the guns. Suicide is often an impulsive decision. Not having an easy way close at hand to carry out the urge will save a whole bunch of lives. barfo
Restricting healthy law abiding Americans in the hopes of preventing unwell Americans from killing themselves is a tough sell. We should get people as much help as possible. That's how we address suicides, IMO.
Sorry, I thought I'd already replied to this but it doesn't appear that I have. I believe in punishing people who do wrong as a disincentive. And people who do wrong in a violent way or with weapons are proving themselves to be dangerous people who should have that right taken from them.
The same kinds of kids coming from traumatic or abusive home lives, probably also dont have someone at home to take them to mental health care appointments. An implementation in schools is an elegant way to address that.
@Chris Craig , I apologize for this response taking so long, but here goes... Fair enough. I think most liberal republicans(non politicians) are willing to have some restrictions such as clip bullet limits, potentially upping the age to 21, etc. I am not sure if any gun ban will pass though. Regardless of my stance, congress just wants to fight and blame. So then details of what restrictions must be spelled out. So let's examine this. Why is this? Why are guns and shooting becoming increasingly cool amongst our youth? Where do these kids with gun fascinations come from and what is their daily life like? Without reading logs and logs of case studies, but going by my personal life experiences of entering MANY families homes over the years as a technician, I have come under the opinion it is largely due to parental neglect, which has many facets. It seems as if many parents have come to believe that they are not responsible for their children's education and that is the government and the school districts responsibility. I have personally witnessed parents who have kids still in diapers playing video games with soldiers and guns, while mom sits their chatting it up on the phone with her friend, getting rude when I need to ask some questions in order to complete my job. (Not many were rude, but the neglect of the child's need for attention was still apparent) I believe that it is an extremely rare individual who is born evil regardless of good parenting. I believe most become this way due to early childhood neglect and lack of proper intellectual growth. I do not claim this to be fact, nor do I claim to have seen the areas where these shooters have actually come from. But I strongly believe that lack of education breeds poverty, bad choices, anger issues(lack of self control/discipline) and I cant help be think this is a large contributor. The disintegration of family bonding and community coming togethers. Rest assured. Take away the AR-15 and those who want to kill will find another gun of equal potential destruction or worse, go the bomb route. This is appauling to have to even compare, but what would be worse, an AR-15 shooting or a guy with a bomb strapped to himself walking into a classroom and setting it off? Are you sure about this? Seems to me guns have been around much longer than games and the games I play have guns mimicking what is out there already. Without some evidence I would find it hard to believe that video games are influencing gun makers, vs gun makers influencing video game makers. Some of this was addressed above. I do not disagree with trying all realistic avenues to curb mass shootings. I am not sure I am following. I believe most rich would love to see poverty go away. Poverty stricken people have less money to spend on the rich peoples goods. See above in red. I cannot. However, that came at a cost of longer lines and delayed entries while passengers go through the more extensive screening to get through, as well as a more intensive social media monitoring and tracking of suspected terrorists. ( all worth it) Is this something we should have at our schools? A guard at every entry able to pat down anything he thinks may have a gun, have all bags go through a scanner with another person watching the screen and then a metal detector to pass through? A higher level of governmental surveillance on kids social media pages? I would entertain that thought, but not sure if I would go for it without know many many more details of how things would work and cost. I agree we should try all realistic options and entertain all ideas until scrutiny/studies show them not worthy of having an effect. The key is though? people working together for a common goal to find a solution to a problem no one on either side of the political isle wants. Republicans don't want mass shootings to happen any more than Democrats. Republicans have children too. It's sad that the few extremes on both sides have the loudest voices and make this issue a political one to be argued over ad nausium vs putting aside fringe differences and finding common ground to start building a foundation of trust off of, to be able to work together,instead of tear each other's respective party down. I am not sure we are not in an all time low regarding our elected officials capacity to put personal differences aside for the good of all. I don't claim to have the answers, but I also don't want to see us make the wrong decisions. It could potentially exacerbate the problem into a civil war of chaos and destruction.
School resource officer shoots 'suspicious man' dead after he tried to enter a locked elementary school in Alabama A 'suspicious man' was shot dead at Walnut Park Elementary school in Gadsden, Alabama, on Thursday The man reportedly arrived on school property around 9.30am and 'aggressively' attempted to get inside vehicles and buildings The school's resource officer responded to an assistance call and got into a physical altercation with the suspect when reported tried to get his gun He then shot and killed the suspect. It is unclear if the suspect was additionally armed The officer, who also works for Rainbow City Police, received minor injuries Superintendent Tony Reddick said the school was locked down immediately and that the intruder never breached the school He also said all the doors were locked and they do not let anyone without a 'pass' into the building at anytime https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...us-man-dead-tried-enter-locked-school-AL.html
Yeah, I think those solutions and few others I offered could be agreed on in a bill. I agree I don't think a straight out ban would pass. If ever there was a time for Congress and the Senate to put politics aside and find common ground, it's now. Will that happen? Sadly, probably not. I agree parental neglect is a part of it. That's seems to be part of the case of the Uvalde shooter. Bullying at school also played a part. Isolation due to covid. But, even with all of that, easy access to guns allowed him to do what he did, to carry out his urge. He went and bought guns...Ar-15s like he was buying groceries, with the most of ease. Why? Because the Ar-15 is the poster gun mass shooters. Yeah, a kid in diapers shouldn't be playing those games or really video games at all. I agree better parenting can help stop alot of these shootings. A few are born without the ability to emphathize and thus have the capability to kill without caring. Others are driven to it, a sum of their traumas. Poverty is an epedimic here in the US. It's a hole that's very hard to get out of. Parents are so busy working to make what living they can, they lose out on giving their kids attention. This leads to neglect. Most people in poverty will end up in hourly low paying jobs. That's just how the economy is molded. Poverty and Education is like chicken and the egg, except we know which came first. I agree poverty can lead to bad choices. Alcohol and drug use, etc. I don't think most rich people want the poor to not be poor. Because the poor would take a piece of their pie...many pieces. The rich are getting paid handsomely by an ever growing lower class. Walmart, Amazon, etc...The places were the lower class get goods are decreasing as the rich monopolize. Most of the phone companies are owned by the same people. When you have millions of people giving you what little money they have it adds up....rich people get to keep staying rich....the lower class stay where they are on a hamster wheel. Why would rich people want that to change? They don't want to share their wealth. Maybe they will find another gun, but I think less will. I think part of the draw is the culture behind military style guns. I know bombs were used at Columbine, but they aren't a main weapon traditionally used in school killings. I don't think an inability to access guns is going to lead to a rise in bomb use. The gun makers made civilian versions of military guns available. Video games and action movies brought visions of their use into living rooms across the country. Either way you look at it, a culture has been created around these guns. Meaningful change has always come at a cost. But, that cost has generally been worth it. No, I don't think we should turn schools into prisons with metal detectors, fences bordering them, and school prison guards. No, not at all. I am saying to stop hijackings we put in place not just one solution, but many and it worked. That's what we need to do here, put several solutions in place. Go at it from the access to guns angle, the school angle, the home angle. There is more than one way to skin a cat. (Sorry Crandc) Some of the things put forward in this thread by me and by others haven't really been tried so we don't have all the information. We can make guesses whether different solutions will work or not, but we can't know until we try. I agree it sucks this has become political. It should be hey, kids are getting killed at school...more and more every year...let's do something about this. We can get political about it and point fingers or we can do something. We can find common ground if we are willing to search for it. We can say we did something or we can say we didn't. I'd rather say we did because anything else is a failure to our kids right now. A bill was just passed in Congress that likely won't be passed in the Senate. Republicans won't agree to it. Both parties are going to need to sit down and figure out what parts they can agree on and get something through. Will they? Probably not. This is where we find ourselves. None of us have the answers because we haven't found them yet. We need to keep using different solutions till we do.
No doubt that's correct, but I'm not sure it really helps. Are there any cases where a school shooter later got another gun and shot up another school? barfo
Not a tough sell for me. I'm restricted from driving 150 mph because some people would kill themselves or others at that speed. And driving fast is more fun than shooting guns, for me. Sometimes we make sacrifices for public safety... I guess if we knew who was thinking about suicide at any given time, that would work. Maybe in the next upgrade of Bill Gates Microchip(TM). barfo
This is how every attempted school shooting should end. There should be no way in. And mental health professionals on staff at the school should be ensuring the mental health of all students to keep things from devolving to an unhealthy level for any student. This should happen for all schools immediately.
Driving is not a right. It's a privilege. Guns are a right. These are not the same thing. However, anybody driving that fast is putting others at risk, they are not a law abiding citizen, and should have their license taken away. Even though guns ARE a right rather than a privilege we have laws like that for guns as well. If you are shown to be dangerous with a gun you forfeit the right to own one. This is where supporting access to healthcare comes in.
Well, they should be the same thing. We both agree that certain people shouldn't drive, and certain people shouldn't have guns, but responsible people can do either. So what exactly is the difference? Oh yeah, 200+ years ago somebody wrote some stuff down, and at the time they thought having a musket was a right, but riding a horse was a privilege. Right? What sort of mental healthcare did they have in the late 1700s? Whatever it was, I guess that's what we should do now, right? barfo
The discussion was about banning people with dangerous histories from owning guns. And that I support it, as long as there is an accessable appeals court to prevent the red flag laws from being abused. Every school shooter has a history that could be flagged and would have prevented them from legally buying guns. I support a system which allows everybody to check the legal status of anybody for free before transferring possession of a weapon to them. All dangerous people would be in a public database and have their ID marked. Giving these people access to weapons should be a felony. People who have done nothing wrong and have no red flags would not be in the database. This would be more effective than universal background checks, IMO, and far more likely to gain the support of enough Republicans to pass. No gun control is going to reduce the risk or lethality of school shootings IMO. That will need to be addressed another way, regardless of the status of gun control.
I'm skeptical about that claim. Unless you are going to deny guns to every white male teenager. Which I'd support. barfo
Freedom of egress has been addressed in the 14th Amendment and it has been reviewed and clarified by the Supreme Court many times, as recently as 30 years ago. As has the 2nd amendment. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14_S1_4_3_2_1/ The constitution doesn't limit the people. It protects the people from government limitations. I haven't suggested keeping things the same. We can change the constitution any time we get 3/4 of the states to want to change it. This is the system we have. I'm suggesting we work within it to improve things.
