With the #7 pick, the Portland Trail Blazers select....

His age is good. Collins is 1 year and 8 months older than Anfernee Simons.

 

I think Grant/Colllins is fucking fantastic. I actually want Grant as the #3 option on offense... I think you're actually underrating him. Yeah, he can't win big as the number one guy but I think he'd be our second best overall player on the team and that we could win big if Ant can be the second scorer and Grant can be our best two way player.

 

I actually think Portland moving Bledsoe + 7 for Collins + 16, then 16 for Grant (into the TPE) would be a great off-season for the Blazers. Even if Portland had to add the Milwaukee pick and the 36th pick

Dame/Simons
Simons/Hart
Grant/Little/Hart
Collins/Winslow
Nurkic/Eubanks

with the tax-MLE and the 6.5M TPE and Keon/Didi + minimum contracts....there's a lot of upside in that team

not sure about Grant being the 3rd option with Collins and Simons on the team though

 

That's fair enough and would work its way out in training camp and during the season. I think we could keep the second rounder pretty easily. #16 and the Bucks 2025 first would be more than enough for Grant.

 

That's why Ant needs to go. If you're going all in, you trade Simons. One for one swap with Phoenix for Ayton.

 

What use would Phoenix have with Ant, especially at a salary that could match what Ayton would need?

 

Is it possible to sign and trade Nurk + pick for Ayton if we also get Collins/Grant?

 

If we're not cutting Hart or denouncing the rights to Ant then Nurk's new salary won't match Ayton's and Ayton's will put us over the cap so the salaries would have to meet the 125% plus 100k rule. If we cut Hart then we can have Collins or Grant and Ayton. We wouldn't have the stongest bench but we'd have a pretty fucking great starting five. In that case we might as well give the Suns Nurk, Hart and whatever pick(s) are leftover after the aquisition of Collins or Grant.

 

Chris Paul is 37. How many more years does he realistically have left? Who is their PGoTF?

 

Pretty fair trade really

 

Collins/OG

 

I would rather draft Duren #7, and I really don’t want to draft Duren at #7.

If trading Simons is what defines going “all in”, then I’d rather wait until next summer to see if we should go “all in”. Since the bubble year, he’s gotten better in specific areas and proven he can sustain it. Two seasons ago, he became consistent with shooting 3s, and he was taking it to the basket more towards the end of the season. Last year, he continued to shoot well from 3, he was taking it to the basket a lot more often and has shot the most FTs he’s ever had, and he was getting notably better staying in front of his man and he averaged around 6apg as a starter. Lets see if he continues to shoot the ball well and get better at getting to the line. Let’s see if he can can average 6apg for an entire season and keeps developing on defense. Ant has Chauncey as a head coach, I expect his scoring efficiency to only get better, not worse.

At the end of the day, I think the number we re-sign at will be less than $25m/yr. I see no reason to think he won’t get better. I’m not even sure if this would be his peak, but I can see Ant having Jaylen Brown’s 2021-22 season statline on similar efficiency in any given year in his prime (switching their reb and ast numbers).

 

If the Blazers can get John Collins and the #16, for the #7( which is possible due to the Hawks wanting to retool and gain capspace), then the Blazers might be able to turn the #16 into OG. Again, Grant is also in play, but not for the #7. Detroit is not dealing from a position of strength due to their need to get rid of his salary. I wish some in here could get that through their thick noggins. Just as the Blazers didn't get as much for CJ, because they didn't want to take lots of salary back. The Hawks are going to move off Collins. I think he is the trade being worked on for the #7. I think the Blazers want that #16 as well because they are taking on 25 mil. per . If Cronin gets that #16, that could be enough to get OG. No reason to over value players when their teams need to move them for cap reasons. Believe it or not, Blazer Naysayers, but your Portland Trailblazers are actually in good position to deal, being they are one of the few teams with cap space and flexibility.

 

#16 for OG would be robbery. No way that happens. Probably not even likely they say yes to #7 for OG (which I would say no to as well).

 

So, what if we traded 7 to Atlanta for Collins and 42. Could we then trade the

Agreed. 16 plus 36 and maybe a separate trade of Little or Keon for one of their minimum guys.

 

Not possible.

 

We're not gonna get OG for the 16. That's Grant territory. 7 might not even be enough.

We aren't going to get Collins AND OG. It's one or the other with the 7. 16 will be enough for Grant.

 

They could use a C, so perhaps the

I am very skeptical of gettin the 16 if we trade the 7 for Collins

 

I would be fine to throw in a second rounder or the Bucks pick to get 16. I wouldn't do the deal without 16. I think they do it pretty easily.

 

I don't agree. Yeah, I'd like the 16th pick coming back and I'd be willing to throw in the 36th or Milwaukee pick to get it. But Atlanta would have to accept paying 19M next season to Bledsoe and that's a stiff price for moving from 16 to 7, especially with the cap situation

I wouldn't do the 7th for Collins if I thought there was a decent chance of landing a Tatum or Booker with the 7th pick. But from everything I've read about this draft, a return like one of those guys for 7 seems extremely remote

Collins is a modern NBA player. He can shoot the three at a good rate; two straight seasons at 40% before this one. And a player who has career marks over 20 for PER, over .630 for TS%, over 15.5% for rebounding rate, and under 22% for usage. A wing who is comfortable in the paint has a lot of value. It's also a good sign that he has consistently had a lower defensive rating than his team. he's also signed for 4 more seasons at a reasonable contract

personally, between Collins, Grant, and the long shot of Anunoby, I'd much prefer Collins over the other two



by the way, Collins is younger than OG