the last 5 drafts, 7-14: 2017: 7 Lauri Markkanen 8 Frank Ntilikina 9 Dennis Smith Jr. 10 Zach Collins 11 Malik Monk 12 Luke Kennard 13 Donovan Mitchell 14 Bam Adebayo 2018: Wendell Carter Jr. Collin Sexton Kevin Knox Mikal Bridges Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Miles Bridges Jerome Robinson Michael Porter Jr. 2019: 7 Coby White 8 Jaxson Hayes 9 Rui Hachimura 10 Cam Reddish 11 Cameron Johnson 12 P.J. Washington 13 Tyler Herro 14 Romeo Langford 2020: 7 Killian Hayes 8 Obi Toppin 9 Deni Avdija 10 Jalen Smith 11 Devin Vassell 12 Tyrese Haliburton 13 Kira Lewis Jr. 14 Aaron Nesmith 2021: 7 Jonathan Kuminga 8 Franz Wagner 9 Davion Mitchell 10 Ziaire Williams 11 James Bouknight 12 Joshua Primo 13 Chris Duarte 14 Moses Moody so, out of 40 players, 2 all-stars and 2-3 other players than might get to all-star level. So, 4 or 5 players that are arguably better than Collins. Maybe a couple of other on the same level as Collins. And 10-12 that are trending or already busts
That's all fine and I get it-- I still can hate the idea of trading down by principle for a team as far away from contention as ours. This exercise of listing players also doesn't consider the kind of coaching they'll receive on our team. And I've done enough research into the guys this year to be comfortable enough to draft them at 7 and develop them in house. In this instance, I'm more concerned with the value of #7 in a vacuum and think Collins + 16 would be great for it.
Has anybody heard why Atlanta is hell bent to dump Collins? Is it because he can't thrive with a shoot first PG? They don't like his game? He can't defend? They don't think he is worth the money? Have they done a better job than us thus far and identified a future star that will be available at 7? I'd really love to know.
trail blazers are trying to win now and established players in the nba can contribute right now unlike drafted players the goal is to improve the team, im not sure drafted player would improve the team right away... it just dont make sense to keep the pick if were not rebuilding
I'd be on board with this. Ideally, we can do a trade with SAS first. Pick up #9+#25, then trade #9 for Collins + 16.
there were rumors that hes not on the same page with trae (but that was when they had their previous coach) hawks are not a good fit for him and therefore he cant show his best there, so it makes sense to deal him elsewhere... i dont know if he would be better with us, with ant & nurk both taking possessions, so they would all need to sacrifice to make it work (i would say even dame would need to sacrifice, there would be no need for him to carry the team, but rather be a difference maker)
Incorrect. Portland would have to be able to accept the full value of Gallo's contract. They would have to use the large $20M TPE to be able to receive Gallo.
The goal SHOULD BE to win a title. It also makes no sense to add journeyman players. I’ve said this before, and I stand by it. MOST of the time a ball dominant pg is the worst thing to build a title around
But Portland isn't winning anything next season. Probably not the year after either. This exercise is all about putting a "winner" around Dame while he gets a new super max and we have even less cap room to use. We mortgage everything for a couple of his buddies to join the club and they get new deals and hold Portland hostage for more money because they are Dame's boys. Drafting well provides cost certainty also. And I'm not attacking you. It's just the notion that Portland has to do everything to placate Dame. What's he going to do besides rake in a shit ton of money, realize his hand picked "vets" aren't enough to win anything then he demands a trade and Portland gets pennies on the dollar. I'm not for or against moving Dame, I just want the insanity addressed.
all fair questions. They never really wanted to pay him in the first place, but they made the conference finals unexpectedly and had their hands forced. Fischer has cited before that Collins isn't really that happy there either and his camp had asked to be moved to a team that would value him more when extension talks were souring last year (even mentioned the Spurs really liked Collins). Collins and Young also have clashed before with Collins griping about Trae's shot selection. I think the push to move him now stems from financial motives from upcoming extensions for Hunter and trying to open up time for their #7 pick last year, Okongwu. I like your question about who ATL has targeted at 7. My $ is on Sharpe. And we need to evaluate him ourselves to deem whether he can be our future star before moving the pick. ATL is also looking at Gobert. Would surprise me to see them possibly move 7 + Capela to Utah in exchange.
Thanks for the response. If Collins is not happy with Trae's shot selection, watch out with Dame/Ant. He would be coming to a PDX team that I am not sure knows how to utilize a good forward. Honestly, how long has it been that they have had a decent one? Just talking out loud.
aldridge. But this is exactly what Dame was saying on that Draymond podcast a few months back about drawing talent to POR. He mentioned he had no trouble taking a backseat to let someone else shine if it meant we could maximize their talents to win. He said he doesn't care about sharing the spotlight and just wants to succeed. He spoke with such conviction, you had to believe him.
Another nugget in KOC's updated mock: The Sixers are exploring trades involving this pick and Danny Green, according to sources. While Green was an important two-way wing for the Sixers, he tore both the ACL and LCL in his left knee in May and now he has an expiring $10 million contract. If we can't get anything else of value. Absorbing Green's contract for the #23 seems like a decent option. You can also have Green/Ingles being ACL rehab bros on the bench every night.
That doesn't make sense to me. Why would Sixers give up the #23 to trade Green? Green's $10M contract is NOT guaranteed. They can cut him and not be out anything.
My understanding from a friend in Atlanta that watches every Hawk game, is that Collin's offense is very good, and his D is adequate. (Good shot blocker) His contract is the issue for Atlanta, and his durability is not ideal. No major injuries though.
