Politics Please say rock bottom is getting close

Nobody said anything was equal. I'm not sure where that's coming from.

 

The irony is the same folks screaming bloody murder for Biden not getting results in a democracy designed to make change and progress slow, are the same people angry at other politicians that are happy to sideline said democracy to get results.. Just not quite the results they want. I can't quite square what they actually want, results or democracy. Being a Democrat is hard, they generally follow the rules and traditions of government because they value, well, rules, tradition, and democracy, even when those things get in the way of what they seemingly want. Republicans have a much easier time of things because they don't care about any of that and just want results, case in point like at the rulings of the Beef Supreme court in the last two weeks. They overturned precedent and used logically inconsistent arguments in back to back cases to get the results they wanted rather than interpreting the law in a way that is consistent and coherent.

 

yeah...this post wasn't me compartmentalizing you...it was you compartmentalizing dems with some whataboutisms.....I responded to this..as if you think Joe wanted to lose his infrastructure bill....fact is he didn't. And Dems don't have a 2/3rds majority so they don't have "control" of voting blocks.....another thing you've compartmentalized my friend...the connection I made was you really, really disagree with the gun laws and since that debate have changed tact a bit around partisan issues. .I'm just a guy reading opinions. Tossing out a few of my own. You and I have one major issue disagreement but I think you've lumped a lot into that that isn't a point of contention at all concerning me at least. Joe's had very little time in office to affect major changes...they say in govt it takes 7 years to affect change which is why a president wants that second term to put their stamp on the country.

 

Joe Biden has been on the wrong side of just about every important debate in his political career...

Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists He fought for their cause
Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years
Joe Biden, Mass Incarceration Zealot - Jacobin
Flashback: When Biden opposed Roe; when Trump supported it

 

you don't like Joe....got it...I like democracy...he's my only hope to save it...ghost dancing over 50 years of someone's career doesn't do anything for today and today's problems.

 

I qualified my statement by saying 'generally' -- I think it would be hard for you to come up with a compelling way of convincing me Democrats as a whole are as bad as Republicans as a whole. The parties are different, I am sorry but your narrative is false, and although I know you are upset that they are not achieving more, and I can sympathize with your frustration, it doesn't help in any way to lump them together. Even Joe Manchin is better than virtually any Republican in office even if I only agree with him on about 50-70% of subjects, that is 50-70% more than any Republican currently in congress.

Saying Joe Biden or Joe Manchin is just as bad as a Republican is not only not true, it is counter productive to what you claim to be your agenda.

 

I haven't changed anything. I've been critical of Biden all along. The only compliment I've ever given him was that he wasn't as bad as Trump. I've made many posts criticizing democrats, and Joe Biden, prior to the recent gun debate.

I don't really really disagree with gun laws. I disagree with spreading misinformation. I oppose laws and restrictions which do not clearly make a positive impact. I have actually proposed gun laws with that in mind. I really disagree with Democrats dishonest attempts to restrict law abiding Americans of their rights.

Again, this feels a lot like you trying to compartmentalize me because we disagree on guns.

Since when is calling Dems out for their lies whataboutism? Again, we should be very critical of these people. Otherwise it's just Team Politics, which is exactly what they want.

 

Where did this weird saying "blowing smoke up your ass" ever come from? Is that supposed to be some sort of magnet for extending trust?

 

Or they have a much much dumber base. Selling to the derp derp party pretty easy.

 

I don't know who "they" are or what they want but no politician has me by the short and curlies...I'm not holding up signs and waiving flags. I'm very critical of any liar or threat against my freedoms and choices. As to guns....that's not such a partisan issue...plenty of non republicans love and own guns...that's a topic of controversy that is not controlled by either party at all. Gas prices I can wait out but my truck driving friend can't...global warming is a moot point when the world is bombing the shit out of sovereign nations. We're feeding the war with bombs and weapons that cause hell on the environment and global warming but that doesn't mean we don't prefer peace....shit happens and people will shoot each other over it. Arms dealers are in hog heaven over war. Biden tried diplomacy with Russia and they didn't come to the table willing peace

 

Let me put it this way. Democrats appear to be deliberately not good enough to counter Republicans. That's a long way from being a force for good in my eyes.

If we don't start supporting MUCH better Democrats very soon it will be too late to matter.

 

Now that I can get behind, I agree with that. We need a new FDR or Teddy Roosevelt that is for sure.

 

"They" are the elite, including the Democrats, who take more from us all the time. The American Oligarchy.

 

You should watch the Jan 6th new evidence and testimony tomorrow......the majority of politicians holding the crooks accountable are democrats...the ones refusing subpoenas are republicans...that tells you what you need to know. This insurrection is historical and if the Senate had impeached Trump the first time...Joe wouldn't have been even running for president. They are to be commended for their efforts to protect our republic...not lumped in with the MAGA crowd as if they all serve the same master....they don't.

 

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels. Eventually the lie will come to consume them, and the state won't be able to protect the derps from the economic and political consequences. This time the enemy at the gates won't be Russian though, it will be a desert and sea level that has swallowed up most livable land.

 

The 1% are the lobby you should be concerned with and yes...they buy a lot of influence in DC....fortunately not all of them are dishonest...and enough of them that we are investigating corruption at the highest level.....the 1% have been profiting from us for your whole life...that's never changed. Pay for play is a problem with capitalism which is why I don't think pure capitalism works ..and you need to tax the shit out of them and let their gross profits fix our power grid and house our homeless...I also think govt officials should be paid just like public servants...teacher salaries. Not CEO salaries...watch the greedy scramble to the private sector when they are making standard military rank salaries.

 

I've been paying attention. Though I work and don't have time to catch every detail.

But of course Democrats would be the ones pushing this. But there are Republicans as well.

Trump isn't a part of either Dems or Republicans. They both hate him.

Trump is the logical result of what Democrats and Republicans want to get back to. And next time it will be a much better effort. With a likely much better tactician...

 

Republicans don’t hate him. Period.

 

No he's not...he's what religious fundementalist preachers and white supremacists want to get back to. ..that's a completely false equivalency in my view. Man I don't know how you can say that with a straight face. ...Obama had 8 years without trying to make himself a dictator yet you honestly think he wants a Trump to hold power over our country? Don't know how you got there.

 

Look, our government was designed from the start to help an elite social class to profit from the exploitation of a lower class. We should not be shocked that the system is working as intended. The United States government is returning to its intended form after some decades spent on a detour barely close enough to socialism to see it with binoculars.

The majority population of the United States, again by design and original intent, was pressed into coerced labor by a ruling class who used the laws and enforcers of the laws to keep the fences around the labor force in place. Slavery is still explicitly legal in all 50 states; an attempt this year to get slavery for prisoners banned in California couldn't even get to a vote.

The minimum wage is so low because it creates a coercive power dynamic. Healthcare is private because it creates a coercive power dynamic. Neoliberalism was designed to undo social programs through privatization, and it succeeded. You have to work to live, because social services aren't free. You have to work at the wages they give you, because there is always an unemployed pool of workers waiting to take your job if you lose it.

All of this is working as intended. The system is unjust and oppressive, and the only difference between the two parties is the speed at which your oppression proceeds.

I'm friends with a veteran. We've talked at length about the next 20-50 years in the US. We are not going to see the end of this oppressive state, but we might live to see the beginning of its balkanization and protracted civil war era. I only hope the warlord that runs Cascadia is kind, but let's be realistic; if we have to rely on military and police power to maintain borders, we will not see compassion within the borders either.