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so what does this mean in terms of cap space and trades etc?
 
Cugel said:
so what does this mean in terms of cap space and trades etc?
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Hard to know exactly until we see if Bledsoe was stretched and any unlikely incentives in Simons/Nurk contracts.

There appears to be just about no cap space left, it may be hard to sign vet minimums or buyout guys during the season. The Blazers may send out assets to lower the current payroll and duck the tax.

Trade opportunities are very limited due to the hard cap, as Dame and Hart are the only tradeable contracts. There will be less trade restrictions in December, but still many hard cap restrictions until July 2023.
 
Expirings don't seem to have as much value anymore. Not just with the Blazers. Teams are going to have to make sure, when they give out a nice contract, they really want that player to be a part of their future.
 
tykendo said:
Expirings don't seem to have as much value anymore. Not just with the Blazers. Teams are going to have to make sure, when they give out a nice contract, they really want that player to be a part of their future.
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Yeah back in the day an expiring contract could've been a golden ticket....

But a part of the lesser value of expiring contracts now is the 2016 CBA change; previously EB contract could've been traded for a $15-25 million player then cut giving that team immediate cap relief. That loophole was eliminated. Now its much more difficult to trade the player, as the team acquiring needs to absorb his full salary, but the Blazers only get credit to match the guaranteed amount.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah back in the day an expiring contract could've been a golden ticket....

But a part of the lesser value of expiring contracts now is the 2016 CBA change; previously EB contract could've been traded for a $15-25 million player then cut giving that team immediate cap relief. That loophole was eliminated. Now its much more difficult to trade the player, as the team acquiring needs to absorb his full salary, but the Blazers only get credit to match the guaranteed amount.
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We have never taken advantage of one.

There was the Raef LaFrentz contract. I think there was another one that was highly touted as being valuable as well. We never use them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We have never taken advantage of one.

There was the Raef LaFrentz contract. I think there was another one that was highly touted as being valuable as well. We never use them.
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You make a good point on Blazers history of expiring contracts. I looked at the Blazers cap the last 20 years, I don't see any example of a significant expiring contract used to acquire a player so the other team saves salary. Rasheed and Gerald Wallace were traded on expiring deals, but they were traded primarily for their worth as a player, not value as an expiring contract.

People talked about the Meyers, Turner, Crabbe, Harkless contracts at the least one day having value as expiring deals. We flipped Turner for Bazemore, Crabbe for the still on the cap until 2024 Nicholson, Meyers and Harkless for Whiteside. So yes they were traded, but for a whole lot of irrelevancy.

Expiring contracts have the most trade value at the trade deadline. But also as few teams now are using cap space to build a contender, the contracts have even less value than before.
 
e_blazer said:
We always knew that if Simons and Nurk were re-signed there would only be room to use one of the TPE or Bledsoe’s contract. Obviously, the TPE was the easier to use.
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No both could've been used even with Simons and Nurk. Yes the TPE was easier to use, but the Blazers could've easily given a small asset to Detroit to use Bledsoe contract, and used the TPE to add a starting forward. However the Blazers wouldn't have been able to give GP2 more than the tax MLE.

The Blazers either don't believe those small assets needed to bring in another well paid forward was worth the cost, or they picked only using one of the TPE/Bledsoe deal simply to save cash. Recent history suggests its more of the latter.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes the TPE was easier to use, but the Blazers could've easily given a small asset to Detroit to use Bledsoe contract, and used the TPE to add a starting forward. However the Blazers wouldn't have been able to give GP2 more than the tax MLE.

The Blazer either don't believe the assets needed to bring in another well paid forward was worth the cost, or they picked only using one of the TPE/Bledsoe deal simply to save cash. Recent history suggests its more of the latter.
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I think the plan is to use Hart to obtain another big. Adding Payton and keeping Hart doesn’t make much sense.
 
Let's see....checks list....welp one thing people said to wait on ended up doing exactly what we thought it would. It was not a part of the Pistons deal. Thereby, making our current roster more and more likely what we will have with minor tweaks going into the season.
 
B-Roy said:
What do you think we could have got for him? The only thing I could think of is moving him into SA's capspace and offloading a second or something.
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Was hoping we would at least squeeze him into the grant trade.

I'm just frustrated after months of being told that Clipper deal was not that bad because we had the bledsoe contract
 
Maybe trading for massively overpaid players on the north side of 30, in their 13th or 14th year, isn't going to net you much in return, outside of cap relief.
 
e_blazer said:
I think the plan is to use Hart to obtain another big. Adding Payton and keeping Hart doesn’t make much sense.
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A big like OG? Sounds like even giving up Sharpe with him isn't enough for Toronto.

If this was going to happen it seems like it would've happened now. All the main players have agreed to deals. Hart can play SF, and people talk about Payton even slotting in at PF.

So Cronin said he would prefer to move away from the 3 guard lineup, most of us just didn't expect that mean we are moving to a 4 guard lineup.
 
illmatic99 said:
Was hoping we would at least squeeze him into the grant trade.

I'm just frustrated after months of being told that Clipper deal was not that bad because we had the bledsoe contract
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If people have been following the cap and the worth of NBA players in trades they would know the Bledsoe deal wasn't valuable. It had a guarantee (unlike Roco pure expiring deal). Really it was a liability, it would've been much better if the Blazers had nothing in its place and more room under the hard cap.

People make all kinds of ludicrous justifications for the Clippers trade. The "flexibility" the team would have, cap space possibilities that were never a good option, the negotiating power Cronin gained for the CJ trade, overlooking it was done a week prior to the deadline. The Norm contract going from a consensus team friendly deal to a bad contract in a few months. It was a horrible trade then and predictably is still a horrible trade today.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
A big like OG? Sounds like even giving up Sharpe with him isn't enough for Toronto.

If this was going to happen it seems like it would've happened now. All the main players have agreed to deals. Hart can play SF, and people talk about Payton even slotting in at PF.

So Cronin said he would prefer to move away from the 3 guard lineup, most of us just didn't expect that mean we are moving to a 4 guard lineup.
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Payton plays like a PF on offense, but will likely play on guards on defense with the knowledge that if he is switched on a big, he can usually be effective against him as well.

I suspect that you will see a lot of dame + hart, ant + gp2 and a little bit of dame +ant with one of them to close games.
 
andalusian said:
Payton plays like a PF on offense, but will likely play on guards on defense with the knowledge that if he is switched on a big, he can usually be effective against him as well.

I suspect that you will see a lot of dame + hart, ant + gp2 and a little bit of dame +ant with one of them to close games.
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GS did field quite a few minutes in the playoffs with Steph + Poole + Gary but they usually had Wiggins and Draymond on the backline.
 
illmatic99 said:
Was hoping we would at least squeeze him into the grant trade.

I'm just frustrated after months of being told that Clipper deal was not that bad because we had the bledsoe contract
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Lol, I accepted it was bad on the first day. Also, if you value Keon as a first round pick (which apparently Cronin did), and you look at some of the trades that happened this off-season, it was valued about right. Norm did not have much trade value on that contract.

Grant traded for a late first.

Brogdon traded for a late first.

Wood traded for a late first.

Huerter traded for a non-lotto first.

It sucks that RoCo was a sunk cost and had to be moved, but not much we could have done there. He was probably valued as the Detroit second we got in the deal.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
There are still people defending it.

Norman Powell at 17 million is not a bad contract.

Our prize from that trade was Keon Johnson. Someone who isn't going to sniff any playing time.

The trade was horrible.
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I gave 4 examples of similar/better players that were traded for a similar returns. The league clearly did not value Norman Powell the same way fans did.
 
Dangling modifier in that second sentence, Shams. Go back to journalism school.
 
B-Roy said:
I gave 4 examples of similar/better players that were traded for a similar returns. The league clearly did not value Norman Powell the same way fans did.
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Keon Johnson is a nothing burger. A future 1st is more valuable than a scratched off lotto ticket that isn't even gonna play.
 
My main complaint in the Powell trade is if we were going to get a first round pick, at least spend it on a wing/big instead of another guard. Keon is going to struggle to get minutes until his 4th year.....
 
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