Great article by Mike Downey from Tribune on 12/5/05<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Keep Kyle Orton at quarterback. Let me say it a second time, in case I didn't make myself clear: Keep Kyle Orton at quarterback. Oh, and by the way: Keep Kyle Orton at quarterback.I never dreamed a day would come when anybody would need to defend a Bears quarterback whose team has just won eight games in a row. Not two in a row ? not four in a row ? eight in a row.Bears coaches and players must think the world has gone nuts. For them to go out Sunday and beat the Green Bay Packers, run their record to 9-3 and wake up Monday morning to a lively debate on TV and radio, on Web sites and in print about what they should do with their quarterback, well, I think athletes ought to insist that media and fans be the ones who undergo drug tests.To change quarterbacks now would be like having Secretariat's jockey win the Belmont by 31 lengths but replacing him in the saddle because the horse should have won by 50.I can't believe we are having this discussion.Kyle Orton already has won nine games. All of last season the Bears won five. He is doing it with practically the same team. Top draft picks Cedric Benson and Mark Bradley are hurt and of no help to their rookie quarterback. If the NFL's top defense hadn't blown the Cleveland game in the fourth quarter, Orton's NFL record would be a cool 10-2.Yeah, by all means, bench him! What has this kid ever done for this team? Oh, except win, I mean. And win. And win. And win. And win.I can see it now: This weekend the Bears go to Pittsburgh and lose, snapping their winning streak at eight and sinking their record to a we-stink 9-4. And the wail will go up once more: Orton's not all that good! Rex Grossman is ready! What's that darn Lovie Smith waiting for, Christmas?!I think back to something HBO's Cris Collinsworth recently said: "Bears fans and the city of Chicago have finally found a quarterback who will not embarrass this proud franchise."Amen. That's what I thought.So you want to dump on him? Demote him? Why, because his statistics aren't so hot? Because he passed for only 68 yards in a game that his team won by 12 points? Because his passer rating?whatever that is?isn't very high? Because what the Bears really need if they want to be a good team is a new quarterback who hasn't played a down all year?Lovie, I don't care if the Bears lose to the Steelers something to nothing, you keep K.O. out there, OK?A couple of weeks ago, a San Francisco reporter asked Orton in a phone interview if folks were willing to cut him some slack for having been such a low draft pick. Orton laughed and replied, "You must not be from around Chicago."I knew people would kid the kid about his bangs or his beard. (I personally envy them both.) I knew people would want Grossman to get his job back, even though for all of his obvious physical gifts, the only thing I have seen Grossman do is get seriously hurt every third game he plays. (I haven't seen Orton miss a down.)But I never imagined the Bears would go 9-3 and have people believe Grossman automatically should take over as first-string QB. I like Grossman, too, but exactly what did he do in those six appearances that was so wonderful?Therefore, if defend Orton I must, let me take a whack at it. Because I think this guy is doing a heck of a good job. Because the only statistic of his I give a rat's tail about is 9-3.To stat freaks, I say this:Orton is No. 25 in the NFL in passing yards, you're right. No. 24 is Ben Roethlisberger. No. 23 is Michael Vick. We had better bench them torton has been sacked 23 times, yes. He's not very fast. Oh, by the way, Tom Brady has been sacked 21 times, Vick 25, Drew Bledsoe 28, Daunte Culpepper 31 (in seven games), Kerry Collins 32, but you're right: Orton is slow. Let's bench him.Orton has been intercepted 13 times. He must be more accurate. You know, like Brady (10 interceptions), Eli Manning (12), Jake Delhomme (13), Brett Favre (21) and other QBs who never throw a bad ball.Orton's longest completion is 54 yards. He can't go deep. As opposed to say, Drew Brees, whose longest pass is 43 yards, or Byron Leftwich (45) or Matt Hasselbeck (52) or Favre (53) or Vick (58).Quite clearly, Jerry Angelo, Ron Turner, Smith and the rest of the brains behind the Bears have a lot of nerve sticking with Orton at quarterback when if they would only try Grossman at quarterback, they could beat teams by scores like 26-7 instead of 19-7.It was said the Bears hadn't beaten a top team. So they beat the Carolina Panthers. It was said they hadn't beaten a top team on the road. So they went to Tampa Bay and beat the Buccaneers.It was said they hadn't been able to beat the Green Bay Packers for years at Soldier Field. So they did.Boy, you hate to see a young quarterback embarrass the organization this way, don't you?I think the Bears had better hurry up and kick Kyle Orton off the squad before he goes out and wins another game.</div>http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...cs-home-utility
I agree, Grossman has been nothing special in the Pro's and always injured, meanwhile Orton is 9-4 as a starter, you have to keep Orton there IMO.
No, bench Orton's a$$.I'm sick of this guy.He sucks.Orton hasn't won any games for us.It has been the defense.
But what has Grossman done to prove hes any better? Throw more Interceptions then Touchdowns? His 54.5% completion percentage? Throw for a whopping 71.1 rating? Or was it his whopping 3-3 record as a starter?If Grossman was that much better then Kyle Orton I would say start him, but what exactly has Grossman proven except that he will get hurt every 3 games?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Dec 12 2005, 08:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>But what has Grossman done to prove hes any better? Throw more Interceptions then Touchdowns? His 54.5% completion percentage? Throw for a whopping 71.1 rating? Or was it his whopping 3-3 record as a starter?If Grossman was that much better then Kyle Orton I would say start him, but what exactly has Grossman proven except that he will get hurt every 3 games?</div> Am i talking about Grossman........no.Anyone that has played QB for the Bears has sucked.Kyle Orton is a joke just like this offense is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 06:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Dec 12 2005, 08:09 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> But what has Grossman done to prove hes any better? Throw more Interceptions then Touchdowns? His 54.5% completion percentage? Throw for a whopping 71.1 rating? Or was it his whopping 3-3 record as a starter?If Grossman was that much better then Kyle Orton I would say start him, but what exactly has Grossman proven except that he will get hurt every 3 games?</div>Am i talking about Grossman........no.Anyone that has played QB for the Bears has sucked.Kyle Orton is a joke just like this offense is. </div> Then who do you plan on playing at QB?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 05:38 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>No, bench Orton's a$$.I'm sick of this guy.He sucks.Orton hasn't won any games for us.It has been the defense.</div> And your sn was Orton 18 or whatever his number is. Honestly Joe. Orton is doing great he just doesn't have anything to work with.
I have to agree, you keep him as a starter, he's been with this team all year, you don't just stop and put someone new in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Dec 12 2005, 02:54 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe because Orton is 9-4 as a starter... He has earned the right to play. </div> Orton isn't 9-4.The defense is 9-4.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GreasedLightning @ Dec 12 2005, 02:35 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 05:38 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> No, bench Orton's a$$.I'm sick of this guy.He sucks.Orton hasn't won any games for us.It has been the defense.</div>And your sn was Orton 18 or whatever his number is. Honestly Joe. Orton is doing great he just doesn't have anything to work with. </div>Why should i listen to a Vikings fan like you?I don't have respect for Vikings fans and never will.
If Rex Grossman was in there, they wouldn't be 9-4 >_<But You gotta give Orton time to develop. He is only a rookie. A lot of rookies doesn't do good in their first year, and Orton didn't see himself becoming a starter just like Big Ben thought last year. I'd keep Orton as my starter because he can managed a game like Big Ben could do, that's what important.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 03:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GreasedLightning @ Dec 12 2005, 02:35 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 05:38 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> No, bench Orton's a$$.I'm sick of this guy.He sucks.Orton hasn't won any games for us.It has been the defense.</div>And your sn was Orton 18 or whatever his number is. Honestly Joe. Orton is doing great he just doesn't have anything to work with. </div>Why should i listen to a Vikings fan like you?I don't have respect for Vikings fans and never will. </div> Grow up.SO now the DEFENSE win their games?Im sorry but I remember that you need at least a legitimate offense for a defense to do that kind of work...You are OVERRATING your defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xpostxscript @ Dec 13 2005, 07:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd keep Orton as my starter because he can managed a game like Big Ben could do, that's what important.</div> Me too. He has AMAZED me this season. When you take a guy out and put a new (not really, but new for this year) guy in, it takes this little thing we call MOMENTUM and it CRUSHES it like a little bug. I like Orton, keep that sucka behind center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GreasedLightning @ Dec 12 2005, 12:35 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 05:38 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'> No, bench Orton's a$$.I'm sick of this guy.He sucks.Orton hasn't won any games for us.It has been the defense.</div>And your sn was Orton 18 or whatever his number is. Honestly Joe. Orton is doing great he just doesn't have anything to work with. </div>Yeah. "Kyle Orton 18". BTW - Can I have that SN now, since I'm backing Orton, all one word? This is what I want for my new SN: "KyleOrton18"
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Da Bears 88 @ Dec 12 2005, 12:46 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>All the people sticking up for this joke named Kyle Orton......go figure.</div> Just like when you wanted the Sox to get rid of Contreras and El Puque, after they struggled a bit. This was you on southsiders: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you want a guy like Jose who terrible a few times more like every time.i dont like him or El Dumpay</div>And <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>he [Contreras] sucks get rid of him now and go get Ted Lilly a proven winner</div>Here's the thread: http://www.southsiders.net/index.php?showt...+this+the+g-manAfter this, you're praising them when they come huge. Orton will stay the starter, and he'll recover, and then Joe will think Orton's the best thing since sliced bread.
