OT Three Hotels Approaching Foreclosure in the Heart of Portland Offer a Warning to City Leaders

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    SlyPokerDog, Sep 14, 2022
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    Except the analogy isn't comparing cars to homeless people--it's comparing the car to the housing first program. It's actually a decent analogy if you don't mangle it.
     
    PtldPlatypus, Sep 14, 2022
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    Lol. Because not using the numbers has been working so well...

    There was a homeless problem in SLC pre 2005 when a 10 year housing first plan was started. The homeless problem was solved (not reduced to zero, but not a community level problem. There is no disputing this) until after 2015 when the program ended.

    There was no homeless problem in SLC between 2005 and 2015.

    The program knows how much it spent and how many people were in the program.

    In 2015, that cost had averaged out to about $8k per person.

    You may not want to believe it, but the reality matches the numbers.
     
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    You guys can agree to disagree.
     
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    I'm not going to let anybody continue posting false information without calling it out.
     
    Phatguysrule, Sep 14, 2022
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    You both have been going back and forth for a bit on it. I don't see either you conceding your points. It's going to be pages and pages of this thread, of just you two going at it and getting nowhere.
     
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    And @Chris Craig is not going to let anybody continue posting that they're not going to not let anybody continue posting false information without calling it out without calling it out. :)
     
    PtldPlatypus, Sep 14, 2022
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    This, I can get behind.
     
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    Nah.

    “I will not let someone spread false information” is hilarious when ill bet we have all done it based on thinking a link or number is correct when it isn't.

    Im not into making it personal and being condescending to those who question me my opinions. Ive made my points and have moved on.
     
    SharpeScooterShooter, Sep 14, 2022
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    Anyway, back to the original topic of the thread/article.

    Hotels in Portland.

    That convention center hotel is going to crash and burn so hard. I give it 3 more years top.
     
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    how so? Do the homeless not need any help other than a maintained shelter? I would very much disagree with that. I dont see how the homeless can not be part of the equation.
     
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    It's all maintenance. Maintaining shelter, mental health, hunger, etc.
     
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    I agree. Its about the priority list and what should come first. Some of the links i posted showed that without putting mental health before the shelter, it isn't going so well over the long run.
     
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    It needs to be simultaneously done. You shelter those who willingly want help and or are more able to accept help. The homeless who are mentally ill likely don't have the capacity to choose one way or the other - some do but not many - we need to get them back in hospitals and stable before housing them. It needs to be a multi pronged endeavor. We can do one while doing the other. In fact to solve homelessness here, we must.
     
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    I agree. Its just that most housing first projects I've looked into do not provide sobriety or mental help. And that is where most of these articles show housing first isn't the perfect answer some claim until we address these tow major issues preventing most homeless from becoming productive members of society.
     
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    The fact is that there is not and will never be a single solution to homelessness. I don't think PGR is claiming that "housing first" solves everything all by itself. There's a reason it's not called "housing only".
     
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    Then you haven't looked into housing first projects.

    You can't do housing first without sobriety or mental help.
     
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    I posted a link to the slc housing first that claimed this happened.
    housing first sounds like just that. housing first. Its not housing and mental help first.
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