Politics Oregon Gov candidates

Fallacy. I just gave you consistent comparisons with similar countries.

 

Yea but otherwise it's an easy buck.

 

Years of beer drinking are catching up with you.

 

You can't only pick the ones with the outcomes you like and call it consistent.

The US had just as good of results as the countries you mentioned over the same time frames, while doubling the number of guns and letting the assault weapons ban expire.

The US saw far better results than the UK, which saw their violent crimes and murder rates increase while the US cut violent crimes and murder rates in half.

 

I picked the countries more like us than any others in the world.

 

Yes, that would be the UK and Australia.

Which had opposite results after similar gun control measures. The most successful of which saw similar reductions as were seen in the US over the same time frame. The US showing far greater reductions in numbers of cases, but nearly identical reductions in rates.

The UK showed virtually no impact, actually a slight rise in intentional homicides after 10 years...

I don't understand how you can look at these three results and see consistency in the idea that more gun control = reduced murder rates or violent crime. I just don't see the consistency in that data.

I completely understand and agree with wanting to reduce violent crime rates and the numbers of deaths. I just don't see evidence to support the idea that further gun control is a meaningful way to accomplish that.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-1

http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?dataset=crim_off_cat&lang=en

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/auss...8BCDCF9DCA2578B700119690/$File/45100_2010.pdf

 

I can see this is getting nowhere as I already knew. I just couldn't believe my logic would not prevail.

 

The numbers are right there though... Are there before and after numbers that prove better results to gun control than this? I've looked and can't find them.

What other country armed with guns has had better results after instituting gun control?

 

That could be a link to some weird pirate porn, for all we know.

 

I'm not trying to kink shame but I'm not trying to watch barfo's kinks, either.

 

Think of the thrill.

 

I really don't need to know what sort of things they use those peg legs for.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/republican-candidate-gains-momentum-in-oregon-governors-race-165217531.html

Republican candidate gains momentum in Oregon governor's race

Oregon may be on the verge of electing its first Republican governor in a generation next month.

It would be a heavy blow for Democrats, an indictment of the party’s brand in what has been one of the most progressive states in the country. Portland, its largest city, has been an epicenter of left-wing activism in support of causes like defunding the police and drug decriminalization.

But by all accounts, Portland is struggling. Crime is up, the city is facing a homelessness crisis and residents are worried. Democratic Rep. Earl Blumenauer, a Portland native who has represented much of the city in Congress since 1996, called Portland “broken” when he announced his reelection bid earlier this year.

“There’s just a huge feeling of lawlessness,” a Portland resident told the Oregonian this week.

Things are so bad, in fact, that some of the state’s left-leaning voters might support a Republican candidate for governor this November.

Republican Christine Drazan, a former state House minority leader, is campaigning hard on the issues of homelessness, drug addiction and crime. In the last week or so, she has surged to claim a 1-point lead in the FiveThirtyEight polling average over her main opponent, Democrat Tina Kotek, a former state House speaker.

A poll by the Oregonian found homelessness to be the top issue for voters in the state, with crime and public safety the next most important. The survey found that 64% of Oregonians think the state’s justice system is “not tough enough” on crime.

There’s no doubt that things in Portland and around much of the state are grim. More than two-thirds of residents think Oregon is on the wrong track, and Democratic Gov. Kate Brown is the most unpopular state executive in the country, with a 54% disapproval rating, according to Morning Consult.

The murder rate is on pace to break another record, after 2021 set a new one. Last weekend, four Portland people were killed in separate incidents, two by shootings and two by stabbings involving homeless persons. One of the stabbings occurred in the Old Town neighborhood around lunchtime.

A few neighborhoods away, more than 50 people woke up Saturday morning to find that the tires on their cars had been slashed.

“My state is going to hell,” Betsy Johnson, an independent candidate for governor who has been competitive in the polls, said in a recent interview on Fox News. Johnson, a Democratic state senator since 2005, has said Portland is becoming a “city of roaches.” She has also called Kotek “Tent City Tina,” an attack on Kotek's sponsorship in 2021 of state House Bill 3115, which restrained local governments from criminalizing homeless people for camping in public places.....

 

Democrats are working toward that. They don't have to support policies or practices that make Betsy appealing.

I hope it doesn't bite us too hard...