<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 03:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Gee....thanks. </div> Hey, I'm still using the sig you made me. MCM gave me a Favre sig on another board, but I'm saving it. BTW, Cutler is the real deal. I live near Nashville and I've watched him play quite a bit. IMO, he's kinda a hidden gem. Everyone is talking about Leinhart and Young, and rightfully so, but Cutler is going to be a major sleeper and someone better grab him quick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dissident @ Jan 9 2006, 03:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 03:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Gee....thanks. </div>Hey, I'm still using the sig you made me. MCM gave me a Favre sig on another board, but I'm saving it. BTW, Cutler is the real deal. I live near Nashville and I've watched him play quite a bit. IMO, he's kinda a hidden gem. Everyone is talking about Leinhart and Young, and rightfully so, but Cutler is going to be a major sleeper and someone better grab him quick. </div> I agree with you, I love Cutler as a prospect, even more then Leinart and Young. I think he will be the best Quarterback out of this draft class. I would be jumping up and down if we grabbed Cutler, DeAngelo, LenDale, or D'Brickashaw.Right now, If I had to rank the offensive prospects, I would rank them1. Reggie Bush (A-M-A-Z-I-N-G)2. Jay Cutler (This kid will be a star IMO, he turned the doormat of the SEC in Vanderbilt into almost a bowl team, and led his team very well against the nations top teams like Florida and Georgia, he might have had one bad game against LSU, but so did everybody from the U.)3. DeAngelo Williams (Will be a very good runningback in this league)4. LenDale White (Will be a very good runningback in this league)5. D'Brickashaw Ferguson (A Left Tackle isnt really a need for the Jets, we need a big strong tackle to put on the right side ala Marcus McNeill, and then a Left Guard/Center combo for the present/future)6. Vince Young (While he has a cannon, he cannot place it accurately downfield. Also, his running style would be similar to Donovan McNabb's more then it is to Michael Vick. Vince Young is only projected to run a 4.5 which is in McNabb range. Vick ran a freakishly fast 4.2-4.3, there is a serious bust risk with Vince Young until he can develop a drop back and throw mentality instead of his run first mentality like McNabb did)7. Matt Leinart (Half of his passes in the Southern California weather were shaky at best, I cant even imagine him having to play a game in Chicago or New York, half of his passes would look like Punts. See Chad Pennington)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 04:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dissident @ Jan 9 2006, 03:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 03:36 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Gee....thanks. ? </div>Hey, I'm still using the sig you made me. MCM gave me a Favre sig on another board, but I'm saving it. BTW, Cutler is the real deal. I live near Nashville and I've watched him play quite a bit. IMO, he's kinda a hidden gem. Everyone is talking about Leinhart and Young, and rightfully so, but Cutler is going to be a major sleeper and someone better grab him quick. </div>I agree with you, I love Cutler as a prospect, even more then Leinart and Young. I think he will be the best Quarterback out of this draft class. I would be jumping up and down if we grabbed Cutler, DeAngelo, LenDale, or D'Brickashaw.Right now, If I had to rank the offensive prospects, I would rank them1. Reggie Bush (A-M-A-Z-I-N-G)2. Jay Cutler (This kid will be a star IMO, he turned the doormat of the SEC in Vanderbilt into almost a bowl team, and led his team very well against the nations top teams like Florida and Georgia, he might have had one bad game against LSU, but so did everybody from the U.)3. DeAngelo Williams (Will be a very good runningback in this league)4. LenDale White (Will be a very good runningback in this league)5. D'Brickashaw Ferguson (A Left Tackle isnt really a need for the Jets, we need a big strong tackle to put on the right side ala Marcus McNeill, and then a Left Guard/Center combo for the present/future)6. Vince Young (While he has a cannon, he cannot place it accurately downfield. Also, his running style would be similar to Donovan McNabb's more then it is to Michael Vick. Vince Young is only projected to run a 4.5 which is in McNabb range. Vick ran a freakishly fast 4.2-4.3, there is a serious bust risk with Vince Young until he can develop a drop back and throw mentality instead of his run first mentality like McNabb did)7. Matt Leinart (Half of his passes in the Southern California weather were shaky at best, I cant even imagine him having to play a game in Chicago or New York, half of his passes would look like Punts. See Chad Pennington) </div> All the talk I've heard and links I've read is that Green Bay is looking strongly at LenDale White. The thing that concerns me is that our biggest needs lie on the O-line and on defense. We'll have plenty of cap space, but TT acts like he isn't ready to spend much on the FA market. We'd have one hell of a backfield w/ Samkon Gado, Ahman Green, and LenDale White though. I'm getting the feeling that us Pack fans better get used to losing for a few years. It was inevitable. The two frontrunners for our HC vacancy are McCarthy from SF and Payton from Dallas. I've even heard crazy talk about Sherman becoming the HC for the Jets and Favre coming with him. You guys would do good to get Cutler. All he needs is some talent around him and he will deliver.
Yeah, ive read you guys are in love with LenDale White, and to be honest with you, i cant blame ya. He will be one hell of a back.Sherman is on the tail end of the Jets canidates list. We seem to be leaning towards more of either an in house replacement or a top coordinator, with some names like Tice, Vitt thrown in there. I dont expect him to even get a serious interview, nevermind the job.PS: Expect Ahman Green to be gone if thats the case. RB - LenDale White and then Samkon Gado, Davenport, Fisher (2 of the 3)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Broncosrules05 @ Jan 9 2006, 05:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="color:red">Lets leave the advertising off of here, ok? </span></div>I'm impressed with his sigs, but not his board. I've seen it before. His board don't hold a candle to this one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 04:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, ive read you guys are in love with LenDale White, and to be honest with you, i cant blame ya. He will be one hell of a back.Sherman is on the tail end of the Jets canidates list. We seem to be leaning towards more of either an in house replacement or a top coordinator, with some names like Tice, Vitt thrown in there. I dont expect him to even get a serious interview, nevermind the job.PS: Expect Ahman Green to be gone if thats the case. RB - LenDale White and then Samkon Gado, Davenport, Fisher (2 of the 3)</div> Yeah, I just read that Sherman is NO LONGER a candidate. Tice will get an interview either this week or next. Why do you think Ahman would be gone? I think Davenport goes before Green would. I like Najeh, but the man just can't stay healthy. Ahman can still get it done. His biggest knock is his propensity to put the ball on the ground.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dissident @ Jan 9 2006, 05:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 04:28 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> Yeah, ive read you guys are in love with LenDale White, and to be honest with you, i cant blame ya. He will be one hell of a back.Sherman is on the tail end of the Jets canidates list. We seem to be leaning towards more of either an in house replacement or a top coordinator, with some names like Tice, Vitt thrown in there. I dont expect him to even get a serious interview, nevermind the job.PS: Expect Ahman Green to be gone if thats the case. RB - LenDale White and then Samkon Gado, Davenport, Fisher (2 of the 3)</div>Yeah, I just read that Sherman is NO LONGER a candidate. Tice will get an interview either this week or next. Why do you think Ahman would be gone? I think Davenport goes before Green would. I like Najeh, but the man just can't stay healthy. Ahman can still get it done. His biggest knock is his propensity to put the ball on the ground. </div> Correct me if im wrong, but isnt Ahman Green a free agent?Thats why.
Yeah, but so are Najeh and Fisher. So I'm thinking they'll cut the lesser of two evils here. Ahman isn't getting any younger, but he's not been as injury plagued as Najeh has, and his upside is better, IMO. Fisher is a great 3rd down back, plus he can line up in the slot as well. It looks like Najeh will be the dead wood that we cut this offseason. I hate it too. I just wish he could stay healthy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 06:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>6. Vince Young (While he has a cannon, he cannot place it accurately downfield. Also, his running style would be similar to Donovan McNabb's more then it is to Michael Vick. Vince Young is only projected to run a 4.5 which is in McNabb range. Vick ran a freakishly fast 4.2-4.3, there is a serious bust risk with Vince Young until he can develop a drop back and throw mentality instead of his run first mentality like McNabb did)</div> Excuse me? Bust risk? First of all, YOU DONT need to run a Michael Vick range 40 to excel in the NFL. DONOVAN MCNABB is one of the best QBs in the NFL right now.YOUNG CARRIED the Longhorns on his shoulders. Young's ONLY legitimate target was a tightend. Beter than any Bush or Leinart who were both gifted with a better team. He dominated USC's defense in the Rosebowl, not only that but he outplayed two heisman winners that SAME night. Bust risk my ass.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (His Greatness @ Jan 9 2006, 06:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 06:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> 6. Vince Young (While he has a cannon, he cannot place it accurately downfield. Also, his running style would be similar to Donovan McNabb's more then it is to Michael Vick. Vince Young is only projected to run a 4.5 which is in McNabb range. Vick ran a freakishly fast 4.2-4.3, there is a serious bust risk with Vince Young until he can develop a drop back and throw mentality instead of his run first mentality like McNabb did)</div>Excuse me? Bust risk? First of all, YOU DONT need to run a Michael Vick range 40 to excel in the NFL. DONOVAN MCNABB is one of the best QBs in the NFL right now.YOUNG CARRIED the Longhorns on his shoulders. Young's ONLY legitimate target was a tightend. Beter than any Bush or Leinart who were both gifted with a better team. He dominated USC's defense in the Rosebowl, not only that but he outplayed two heisman winners that SAME night. Bust risk my ass. </div> My point was that the only reason why Michael Vick isnt considered a collosal bust is because he can use his legs to make plays, Vince Young however, does not possess that speed to cover up for his lack of accuracy.Vince Young does have a lack of accuracy, you can show me the 75% accuracy in the rose bowl all you want, but you also neglect to realize that 95% of those passes were under 20 yards. He only managed to complete 2 passes out of 30 completions over 20 yards. He just nickled and dimed USC's defense to death...Whenever Vince Young throws the ball downfield he either overthrows them, or just throws it way off target. He has not shown the ability to throw a pass more then 20 yards downfield accurately on a consistant basis, and he will need to do that in the NFL.Your correct that McNabb is one of the leagues best quarterbacks right now, do you know why that is? Because he is a pass first quarterback, he drops back, reads the defense and throws the ball to an open reciever, only then if nobody is open he will take off and start running. Vince Young, however, is a run first quarterback, he drops back, only reads one or two recievers, then will take off running. In the much faster, stronger NFL he will not be able to get away with that nearly as much with his legs. In order to have a chance beating a top defense in the NFL, you need to beat them with your arm first. Why do you think that Michael Vick hasnt made a superbowl yet? Why do you think that only after McNair and McNabb developed the ability to beat an NFL Defense with their arms that they finally made the superbowl. Because you need to be able to beat a defense with your arm first in order to beat a top defense. And you will need to beat the top defenses to win a superbowl. PS: USC has a mediocre at best Defense, they arent anything special defensively, so congrats on beating up on another team without a defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dissident @ Jan 9 2006, 05:11 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Broncosrules05 @ Jan 9 2006, 05:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><span style="color:red">Lets leave the advertising off of here, ok? </span></div>I'm impressed with his sigs, but not his board. I've seen it before. His board don't hold a candle to this one. </div> I know i am not trying to advertise, some of yao were wondering where he is, so i was trying to make a point, i don't care about his site, i am not in it .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ven0m @ Jan 9 2006, 08:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>My point was that the only reason why Michael Vick isnt considered a collosal bust is because he can use his legs to make plays, Vince Young however, does not possess that speed to cover up for his lack of accuracy.Vince Young does have a lack of accuracy, you can show me the 75% accuracy in the rose bowl all you want, but you also neglect to realize that 95% of those passes were under 20 yards. He only managed to complete 2 passes out of 30 completions over 20 yards. He just nickled and dimed USC's defense to death...Whenever Vince Young throws the ball downfield he either overthrows them, or just throws it way off target. He has not shown the ability to throw a pass more then 20 yards downfield accurately on a consistant basis, and he will need to do that in the NFL.Your correct that McNabb is one of the leagues best quarterbacks right now, do you know why that is? Because he is a pass first quarterback, he drops back, reads the defense and throws the ball to an open reciever, only then if nobody is open he will take off and start running. Vince Young, however, is a run first quarterback, he drops back, only reads one or two recievers, then will take off running. In the much faster, stronger NFL he will not be able to get away with that nearly as much with his legs. In order to have a chance beating a top defense in the NFL, you need to beat them with your arm first. Why do you think that Michael Vick hasnt made a superbowl yet? Why do you think that only after McNair and McNabb developed the ability to beat an NFL Defense with their arms that they finally made the superbowl. Because you need to be able to beat a defense with your arm first in order to beat a top defense. And you will need to beat the top defenses to win a superbowl. PS: USC has a mediocre at best Defense, they arent anything special defensively, so congrats on beating up on another team without a defense. </div> Young runs a 4.4 40, hes FASTER than McNabb. Vince Young is a 65% QB. VINCE YOUNG has more YARDS PER PASS attempts than Leinart, his LONGEST pass was longer than Leinarts. HE IS ON the top 5 passing ALL TIME for Texas and career pass% of over 60%. The Rosebowl was one game, Young has tore apart many defenses already. STOP confusing Vince with Pennington. Downfield accuracy? Do I have to name all the games where Young consistently threw for over 50 yards? Learn your facts and stop making false accusations. Your incompetent if you think that Vince Young is a run first QB. NOBODY is a run first passer, not even Vick. NO QUARTERBACKS look to run before they pass. LEARN the basis of football, ask any supposedly "fast" quarterback if they look to pass first. Your initally saying that "run first" QB's look to run and if they get shutdown they throw, lmao! I guess Vick looks to scramble right after the snap then he throws? IN THE MUCH STRONGER NFL, he will actually have decent recievers and not look to throw to Tight Ends first. I really can't even believe you were this mindless about football. Fact is, that Young has shown improvement every year. ONLY College QB EVER to throw for over 3000 and run for over 1000. Goes to show you that this guy can also aggresively run.
