c'mon man...I specifically said "matches his upside while accounting for his injury history". Removing half of the equation I used is a straw man
I didn’t read it the way you wrote it or intended to message it. I read it as it matches both things. It matches his upside and it matches his injuries.
This is awesome. He makes enough money that he'll never have to work again and gets the opportunity to prove he's worth more. Great deal for the team if Nas can reach his goals.
like I said, twice, the contract matches both things and they are welded together something else is that a contract also reflects what a player has established. In Little's case: * his career PER is 12.0 and his best is 13.5; the league average is 15.0 * he's a good rebounder for his position, but he's a weak passer who has more turnovers than assists * he has a good FT Rate but he's a shooting forward who has shot under 32% from 3 * his winshare/48 is .071 and his best is .082; the league average is .100 essentially, he's a rather injury prone player with below average numbers after 3 seasons. And he just signed an extension with below average salary. Seems like a match. Sure, that contract can quickly become a bargain, but Little signed it
I want to just be positive about this signing and realize that Nas didn't have much of a negotiating position but this is what a deal is supposed to look like when you don't let your player test the open market. This deal has no downside for the team and a ton of upside without being disrespectful to a player we really appreciate in Nas. I realize that Ant and Nurk both have either more production under their belt and are therefore more proven when healthy (Nurk) or less negative things like an injury history to go with their upside (Ant). I still can't understand, especially with Ant why his contract is so much higher than every single pundits' prognostication was... when all we had to do was have him go sign an offer sheet and if it was as huge as his current contract that would be fine but at least then we'd know that we didn't bid against ourselves. The same can be said for Nurk because his salary is several million higher than most thought he could get especially given the fact that his particular position in today's NBA is being relegated to a specialty that cannot be on the floor at all times effectively. All of that said, great signing today and maybe it shows that Cronin does know how to negotiate and that complainers like myself didn't have the whole story on Ant and Nurk. I very highly doubt it but our FO could have known that there were deals out there for the two that were close to what we gave them but had something toxic in them and the team just wanted to get them locked up.
The problem with that list is, those are all teams with significant star depth to keep them afloat while someone is down. So, that clouds any sorting of the data even further. And makes me unsure what my point even is.
The fact that he would agree to this contract suggests that even HE doesn't think he can stay healthy.
Lol. I get your point and believe it to be valid. Im just not sure how to accurately quantify it. The one rebuttal i would have to this though is that i listed the teams stars. So yes some can keep them afloat, but if they are all still missing 15-20 games? The other factor is show me a contending team without multiple stars? I think its fairly obvious a team like us would be devastated by Dame missing the season. Nas? Not so much. So even though i get your premise, im not only sure how to quantify to with references, but not so sure it is all that accurate. With that said, we both seem to be leaning to “a contender must have multiple stars to allow for them to rest and still stay afloat, to be a real contender”. not sure i can disagree with that.
probably at the same time. a guaranteed 28M is a pretty attractive carrot. At 22, he gets to look forward to $583K/month for the next 4 years
Glad to see the Blazers used the leverage they had--paying him an amount as if he were a full free agent totally defeats the purpose of extending him, and I'm glad that the Blazers didn't do that here. I'm nowhere convinced that he's ever going to be much of a much, even if he stays healthy (he's not a very good perimeter shooter, he's short, and he's not especially athletic) but at least this contract won't cripple the Blazers and it has upside for the team.
28M for a 22 y/o is life-changing. It's insurance that he'll be set for life no matter what. He still has opportunity to make more over his career.
Exactly. His injuries have not been major, but it is smart for him to cover his ass. You never know what can happen. See Ramon Ramos
I think the tank complicated things. The Blazers were negotiating from a place of weakness where they needed to convince both guys to sit in a contract year. With all the other teams tanking as well it could have really inflated their numbers and resulted in toxic offers.
