Exclusive I'm not sold on Dame/Ant

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  1. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Crazy, I would've assumed it was more even WITH injuries.
     
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    @wizenheimer has historically loved to refer to their backcourt style as "your turn, my turn", and he's not wrong. Now, if we're just looking at the 20-point threshold, they surpassed that together 190 times. But even looking at 25 points, they both broke that just 62 times. It was actually pretty rare to see them both have an above-average game on the same night. And to do so particularly efficiently was basically unheard of.

    Here's another version of that--only 6 times did both score over 25 on fewer than 20 FGA each. The best of those games was against Phoenix, 4/1/17. Last night, Dame/Ant were better.
     
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    PtldPlatypus, Oct 25, 2022
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    I enjoy going back and rewatching pre/post draft videos of NBA players.

    Idk if I actually saw this one 4 years ago. Love the story about the first time he dunked.
     
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    One thing I rarely see mentioned in the Dame/CJ vs Dame/Ant comparisons is shooting range.

    CJ tended to shoot right at the three point line. He has a bit more range than that, but I always felt like he liked to use his dribble to set himself up either for the closest three he could get or a midrange shot.

    Ant is more of a catch-and-shoot guy. If he catches it and he's 2 feet behind the line and he's open, he's bombing it without hesitation. He doesn't have Dame range (or at least not that I've seen), but you can imagine him having it in another couple of years of practice.

    On the three point line Ant's style is a lot scarier to cover. You give him space and it's airborn. There's no recovery, no rotation of defender. He's not doing a hesi or a side step or a dribble drive or something else that gives the defense a second. It's just up. It distorts defenses. You can not leave him. You can see how that works a lot better with a guy like Dame, who can use that extra half step of space to create a driving or passing lane.
     
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    I'm not sold on this internet fad.
     
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  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Couple thoughts...

    First - that was literally the first game where he shot well. The other three he shot like ass.
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    Second - it's not offense that I'm worried about. I guess we'll see how it plays out over the season. 4 games is a tiny sample size. I think Sharpe looks really promising and I'm not sure if he is a two or a three. I tend to lean more towards a two. I think it would be best if we cashed in on Ant for a star quality small forward if we're REALLY going to try to win a chip with Dame.
     
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    I haven't seen enough to convince me yet. Would still consider a trade like Anf and Watford for Myles Turner and Duarte.
     
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    He may not have Dame range yet but I didn't know he had that range either! So he has already stepped it out (last night at least), immensely.
     
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    Dame/CJ had 7 seasons. Might want to give Dame/Ant at least 1 season
     
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    Nope, Anfernee had 3 sub-par games to start the season. They're done for.
     
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    Dude. This is a terrible trade. Turner is a decent center that is always injured. This is um.... not a good trade.
     
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    And the biggest difference between these? This was the first game the Blazers really ran off-the-ball screens to get Ant free. Ant can create his own shot, but he is so much more dangerous when you get him in catch and shoot, or catch, dribble twice and shoot situations.
     
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    Dame averaging exactly 50/40/90
     
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    40.9% isn't "ass". And 65% isn't "well". I suspect Ant will settle into the 42-44% FG%. 65% isn't sustainable and it's unrealistic to expect as much. He's just above 42% for his career. CJ is, what, 45-46? He's slightly improved over time, and I suspect Ant will, as well.
     
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    And Hofner Beatle basses with flatwounds sound like uprights! I've never owned a P Bass but they are great funk machines..
     
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    I'll eat my Ant crow now....I've been wanting to trade him for a while but he shut me up last night against the Nuggs.....
     
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